OT: Kolb traded to Arizona for DRC and 2nd!

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

I wouldn't give up on him yet.

Yeah, I suppose the Cards think they're a QB away from goin back to the SB.

I bet Kolb is stoked.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Why is where a player is picked the slightest bit relevant?

Analogy time:

You work at a car dealership, and sell an SUV for $50,000.

Two days later, one of your competitors tells you that he just sold a similar SUV for $60,000.

It sounds like he got the better deal, right?

But if it turns out you only paid $10,000 wholesale for yours, while he paid $30,000 for his, who really got the better deal?

Kolb cost the Eagles a lot more, so the actual net value from trading him isn't as high.

 

[resdubwhite]

Let's see what the history has been for up-and-coming QBs in NFL trades:

2011: Kevin Kolb gets traded for a 2nd round pick and a 3-year starting CB with one Pro Bowl appearance. Kolb was a 2nd round pick, 36th overall, with 7 career starts and 319 career pass attempts.

2009: Matt Cassel gets traded along with an aging starting linebacker for a 2nd round pick. Cassel was a 7th round pick, 230th overall, with 15 career starts and 555 career pass attempts.

2007: Matt Schaub gets traded for a 2007 2nd and 2008 2nd, plus the teams swap 1st round picks. Schaub was drafted in the 3rd round, 90th overall, with 2 career starts and 161 career pass attempts.

2001: Matt Hasselbeck gets traded along with pick 1.17 and a 7th round pick for 1.10 and a 3rd round pick. Hasselbeck was drafted in the 6th round, 187th overall, with zero career starts and 29 career pass attempts.

1995: Mark Brunell gets traded for a 3rd and a 5th round pick. Brunell was drafted in the 5th round, 118th overall the previous year, with zero starts and 27 career completions.


So did the Patriots, relatively speaking, not get enough in return for Cassel? Perhaps; then again I think Kolb and Schaub were still held in higher esteem by other teams because of how they were rated coming out of college. With so little pro experience to go on, teams still relied on the college film.

I see where you're coming from. But the patriots had to ditch 14 million salary for a backup QB.
They lost the strong negotiating hand once they franchised him.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Analogy time:

You work at a car dealership, and sell an SUV for $50,000.

Two days later, one of your competitors tells you that he just sold a similar SUV for $60,000.

It sounds like he got the better deal, right?

But if it turns out you only paid $10,000 wholesale for yours, while he paid $30,000 for his, who really got the better deal?

Kolb cost the Eagles a lot more, so the actual net value from trading him isn't as high.

I dont care about the deal the other person gets, I care about the deal I get. If I get the exact same product at a lower cost, even if the deal nets the other guy a higher profit margin, I STILL GET A BETTER DEAL.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I dont care about the deal the other person gets, I care about the deal I get. If I get the exact same product at a lower cost, even if the deal nets the other guy a higher profit margin, I STILL GET A BETTER DEAL.

I think you're looking at it from the buyer's POV. I'm looking at it from the seller's POV.

I think that Kansas City got a better deal than Arizona (both absolutely and relatively). I also think that the Patriots got about as high a profit margin from their trade as the Eagles got in theirs.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I think you're looking at it from the buyer's POV. I'm looking at it from the seller's POV.

I think that Kansas City got a better deal than Arizona (both absolutely and relatively). I also think that the Patriots got about as high a profit margin from their trade as the Eagles got in theirs.

I think we could have done much better, Cassel was MUCH better than Kolb or any of the QBs coming out of college that year, and teams spend 1st round picks on QBs all the time.

 

[DaBruinz]

Let's see what the history has been for up-and-coming QBs in NFL trades:

2011: Kevin Kolb gets traded for a 2nd round pick and a 3-year starting CB with one Pro Bowl appearance. Kolb was a 2nd round pick, 36th overall, with 7 career starts and 319 career pass attempts.

2009: Matt Cassel gets traded along with an aging starting linebacker for a 2nd round pick. Cassel was a 7th round pick, 230th overall, with 15 career starts and 555 career pass attempts.

2007: Matt Schaub gets traded for a 2007 2nd and 2008 2nd, plus the teams swap 1st round picks. Schaub was drafted in the 3rd round, 90th overall, with 2 career starts and 161 career pass attempts.

2001: Matt Hasselbeck gets traded along with pick 1.17 and a 7th round pick for 1.10 and a 3rd round pick. Hasselbeck was drafted in the 6th round, 187th overall, with zero career starts and 29 career pass attempts.

1995: Mark Brunell gets traded for a 3rd and a 5th round pick. Brunell was drafted in the 5th round, 118th overall the previous year, with zero starts and 27 career completions.


So did the Patriots, relatively speaking, not get enough in return for Cassel? Perhaps; then again I think Kolb and Schaub were still held in higher esteem by other teams because of how they were rated coming out of college. With so little pro experience to go on, teams still relied on the college film.

The Pats also freed up 18 million in cap space.. That has to be considered..

 

[PatsFanSince74]

This is an example either of how valuable even an unproven and possibly marginal QB is in the NFL, of how good the Eagles are at negotiating a deal or of how desperate Arizona is for a starter.

That's a lot of value for a guy who has started seven NFL games, thrown more picks than TD's, completed less than 200 passes in four years and compiled a pass rating of 73.2. Plus the Cardinals are guaranteeing him a bucket of money.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Ok I really don't get it. WTF has Kolb proven, I've seen him in maybe 2 NFL games and he did nothing, the game where Mcnabb was benched in '08 and last year's season opener. I guess he might have played a few in Vick's absense but I don't remember. We definitely should have got more for Cassel if this guy nets a 2nd and DRC. WTF

 

[patsfaninpa]

Let's see what the history has been for up-and-coming QBs in NFL trades:

2011: Kevin Kolb gets traded for a 2nd round pick and a 3-year starting CB with one Pro Bowl appearance. Kolb was a 2nd round pick, 36th overall, with 7 career starts and 319 career pass attempts.

2009: Matt Cassel gets traded along with an aging starting linebacker for a 2nd round pick. Cassel was a 7th round pick, 230th overall, with 15 career starts and 555 career pass attempts.

2007: Matt Schaub gets traded for a 2007 2nd and 2008 2nd, plus the teams swap 1st round picks. Schaub was drafted in the 3rd round, 90th overall, with 2 career starts and 161 career pass attempts.

2001: Matt Hasselbeck gets traded along with pick 1.17 and a 7th round pick for 1.10 and a 3rd round pick. Hasselbeck was drafted in the 6th round, 187th overall, with zero career starts and 29 career pass attempts.

1995: Mark Brunell gets traded for a 3rd and a 5th round pick. Brunell was drafted in the 5th round, 118th overall the previous year, with zero starts and 27 career completions.


So did the Patriots, relatively speaking, not get enough in return for Cassel? Perhaps; then again I think Kolb and Schaub were still held in higher esteem by other teams because of how they were rated coming out of college. With so little pro experience to go on, teams still relied on the college film.

And those trades are one of the reasons Ryan Mallett was a great draft pick in the 3RD round.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

You can't discount leverage when it comes to a deal. It matters. The Cardinals got screwed by the lockout. Forcing a team with a need as significant as the Cardinals to draft without any free agency or trading activity beforehand put them in an impossible spot. They either had to take a QB, or they had to draft like they would get one by trade or FA.

They did the latter, and the entire world knew about it. They simply had to do the deal. Their only leverage was floating ideas about Orton. But the Eagles had the upper hand, and they knew it. The Cardinals knew it would be expensive. Like many, I'm surprised about how expensive, but their draft made this possible.

Compare the Patriots leverage with Cassel, which was very little. They had to franchise him just to get something for him, and they had very little in terms of negotiating position.

 

[WhiZa]

That's an awful lot to give up in a trade and contract for a guy who is really not much more proven than a rookie.

These are the decisions teams are forced into when they don't address glaring needs and wait until the last minute

 

[rjw]

Was actually getting a bit tired of the "where will Kolb go?" talk. Still, a lot for AZ to give, but, gotta keep your #1 WR happy. If it doesn't work by year two, I think Fitz will want out.