OT: Eagles Hire Matt Patricia

[Ian]

He routinely throws off his back foot regardless of sore ankles.

I do agree with you - he's had a few all-arm throws that worked in college and a few times in his rookie year, but I think he started to realize late last year what he can/can't get away with from that standpoint.

Last season vs the Jets, Jones threw the ball directly to a Jet player for a pic 6 that was luckily called back because of Roughing the passer.

Still - you're talking about one throw, they're few and far between. Honestly, this one aspect of his game is one reason why I've given him the benefit of the doubt. He's at least not a guy who forces the football in bad situations. When you don't have the arm talent or the athletic talent of other elite guys, it's the little things that you have to do to make up for that and this has at least been a fairly big positive for him.

The next question is then obviously can he do the rest to at least make up for it? He had enough moments in the final few games to make me think that with a competent coordinator, the potential is there. As we've said, we still need to see it.

Just might decide BBs future.

That one's more complicated. You don't generally fire a coach until players stop buying in and you see them lose games where it looks like they've got no shot. The lack of buy in/effort is usually what does a coach in, especially if guys don't look prepared. At the same time, how he handles the situation will likely be scrutinized and I'm sure that could potentially play a factor.

BB is stubborn and succumbed to last seasons pressure of the NE QB controversy from the Boston media.

I don't think it was that. I think he realized that this wasn't like 2001. Mac isn't Bledsoe. I love Drew, but he made some bad decisions and I also feel like, if I recall, he wasn't fitting what Weis wanted to do back then and don't forget, he was coming off a 5-11 season where he absolutely didn't play well. Jones had at least earned a little currency. The lack of public support and hanging him out to dry was a bad look, and it angered guys in the locker room. You can't do that.

You also can't bury a kid who had a couple of bad games (he played relatively well against Miami, O.K. against Pittsburgh, and then decent against the Ravens barring a few throws) yet won 10 games the year before and was in the building every day over the offseason doing the right things. Drew was a veteran who was stuck in his ways and - as much as I love him - wasn't as hard of a worker. The guy had a helicopter if I recall standing by at the stadium at the final game one year to immediately bolt to Montana, and I don't recall hearing him ever hanging around the facility in March.

My worst nightmare is a repeat of 2022.

I think that's how all of us feel. Yet you also have to take into account that Jones knows he's under pressure this year. He came into last year feeling relatively good about himself and things in general. Unfortunately, now that he's in the NFL, that feeling never lasts long and it's probably safe to say last year was definitely a wake up call in that regard.

We all just have to let it play out and see how it goes.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I do agree with you - he's had a few all-arm throws that worked in college and a few times in his rookie year, but I think he started to realize late last year what he can/can't get away with from that standpoint.

Every QB, especially young QBs, throws bad picks. Every young QB needs to develop his throwing motion (that is why throwing coaches exist) and pocket presence. It should be expected that a Y2 QB is still developing. Yes, a few all-arm throws - but it was much better as Y2 progressed even with Patricia (Y1 did not progress as well). Y3 is always a tell-tale indicator fora QB, so we will see. Having said that guys like Geno Smith show us that late development happens.

 

[1960Pats]

I agree, it still irks me, but it is what it is. Glad it played out the way it did for Brady's sake and it cemented his legacy and quieted all the people who were still bringing Rodgers/Manning/Mahomes into the conversation.

I don't think Mahomes will get there because of his style of play. I think injuries will cost him a few opportunities over his career and probably leave him short. But I do think he'll eclipse some of the other guys (Roethlisberger, Manning) and potentially end up with 1-2 more during his career, and I think Joe Burrow is likely going to be the guy who frustrates him a bit over that span.

Funny how right after I made that post I started to get into it about Brady's departure. I still have a ways to go.

I think Herbert has some potential to be a problem for Mahomes as well. I played golf Monday with a man who likes Herbert so much that he threw some cash on the Bolts to win the SB just in case. I hope he wins if the Pats don't.

It's funny how fans and media have been arguing the best this and the best that in sports forever and now Brady has taken the QB discussion completely away forever. We're Number Two is all the fans of other QBs have left.

 

[1960Pats]

Every QB, especially young QBs, throws bad picks. Every young QB needs to develop his throwing motion (that is why throwing coaches exist) and pocket presence. It should be expected that a Y2 QB is still developing. Yes, a few all-arm throws - but it was much better as Y2 progressed even with Patricia (Y1 did not progress as well). Y3 is always a tell-tale indicator fora QB, so we will see. Having said that guys like Geno Smith show us that late development happens.

PEDton Manning had a whole lotta INTs his rookie year and he did ok.
The question now is how much did the lost season hurt Jones' development in Y3.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

PEDton Manning had a whole lotta INTs his rookie year and he did ok.
The question now is how much did the lost season hurt Jones' development in Y3.

How would we ever know if the lost season hurt Mac or not? If Mac turns out to be a Top 10 QB, we can guess that if he had not lost Y2 he would have been Top 3?

 

[1960Pats]

How would we ever know if the lost season hurt Mac or not? If Mac turns out to be a Top 10 QB, we can guess that if he had not lost Y2 he would have been Top 3?

Yeah, we can never know for sure and there's no way to judge if damage was done. It couldn't have helped him though.

It seems like the 3rd year means a lot normally. That seems to be the amount of time it takes to figure out a lot of things in the NYFL.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yeah, we can never know for sure and there's no way to judge if damage was done. It couldn't have helped him though.

It seems like the 3rd year means a lot normally. That seems to be the amount of time it takes to figure out a lot of things in the NYFL.

It might have helped him. Adversity can definitely help the strong willed. This year should be easy by comparison so the on-field histrionics and dirty play penalties should disappear.

 

[captain stone]

Mac didnt see the Bears defense here.

Corky NEVER should've started that game... Or the following game... Or the game after that...

3 of the Worst consecutive games of QB play I've seen in a long, Long time... If not Ever.

Little Billy Notgoat might've passed Papa Bear on MNF if he had started Zappy from the opening snap.

 

[archstanton543]

It might have helped him. Adversity can definitely help the strong willed. This year should be easy by comparison so the on-field histrionics and dirty play penalties should disappear.

Well, if that's the case, every team would want their young QB to have a season where some schulb who's never coached offense before coaches him for a year just to toughen him up mentally rather than have a steady, experienced hand on the tiller.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Well, if that's the case, every team would want their young QB to have a season where some schulb who's never coached offense before coaches him for a year just to toughen him up mentally rather than have a steady, experienced hand on the tiller.

I never said it was preferred. Not sure why you read my comment that way. I simply said it might have helped, as opposed to hindered, not as opposed to a more ideal situation.

 

[Triumph]

Underthrown ball where he couldn’t get enough on it while playing on a bum ankle. The Raiders play was one you see a fair amount of NFL QBs make that mistake repeatedly. Mac at least hasn’t been that.

Again, this year is going to decide his future, regardless of what any of us think. But he is who we have until they elevate Zappe or find someone else. Complaining all the time isn’t going to fix that.

When you step back and evaluate things, I need to be posting more. Not less.

All the blaming of Patricia and Judge alone has created a huge deficit that I should get working on.

 

[Ian]

When you step back and evaluate things, I need to be posting more. Not less.

I wasn’t suggesting you post less, just not repeating the same thing over and over. I think everyone knows Jones needs to have a better season and it’s also fine to question whether or not he will. But obviously, it’s in the context of who they have and who is available. It’s not as easy as “he sucks, get rid of him.” You still need someone under center and there aren’t a ton of options.

Not to mention plenty of other teams would be pretty happy with a guy who won 10 games as a rookie and still as “bad” as he was was part of an 8 win season. A lot of 3 and 5 win teams out there…people don’t realize just how bad things could really be and he’s not as bad as plenty of guys in the league. Not by a long shot.

 

[Triumph]

I wasn’t suggesting you post less, just not repeating the same thing over and over. I think everyone knows Jones needs to have a better season and it’s also fine to question whether or not he will. But obviously, it’s in the context of who they have and who is available. It’s not as easy as “he sucks, get rid of him.” You still need someone under center and there aren’t a ton of options.

Not to mention plenty of other teams would be pretty happy with a guy who won 10 games as a rookie and still as “bad” as he was was part of an 8 win season. A lot of 3 and 5 win teams out there…people don’t realize just how bad things could really be and he’s not as bad as plenty of guys in the league. Not by a long shot.

But I do not choose the battles to fight.

 

[Ian]

But I do not choose the battles to fight.

Then you’re ahead of most if you’re at least choosing to pick your battles moving forward. There are certainly others in here who are far worse