OT: Eagles Hire Matt Patricia

[captain stone]

It looked like Bill was being loyal to his coach in spite of the obvious problems.
That plus maybe Bill didn't want to admit his mistake.
With a little bit of my-way-or-the-highway sprinkled in.

All it took for Hoyer to be sent packing was him questioning a coach.

I won't say those aren't factors, but let's also remember that Hoyer is 37, has lost his last like 13 starts, and is coming off a season with concussions. I bet they could have patched things up just fine, but they probably didn't feel his ability was worth the potential locker room division, and he could probably use a fresh start.

Yeah, it's no big deal really. I never thought he had much left but we were led to believe that he had some value.

All I care about is that we're not paying him to be on another team.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Again, that's not what happened - Chandler's ridiculous arm length and strength didn't let Mac get close to him:


And literally no one around for miles had Jones even slowed him down:



And I was wrong about Trent Brown, only guy close was Onwenu.

This is such a weird thing that you still hold against the kid when Brady wouldn't have been able to stop Chandler Jones, either.

Dude has a pro-Lamar fixation and an anti-Mac fixation. So. Yeah.

 

[RIpats88]

Do people believe that Patricia called for throwing INTs?

They do unfortunately. So many times the WR or TE was open, but Corky waited too late. He has the timing of clock powered by a hamster wheel. Romo made reference to Corkys slow witted thinking in the Bills 2022 playoff game. IIRC, the play was a pass to Henry and Henry was open down the left sideline - Upon review, that is when Romo said throw it now ! - but no, Corky waited for the Bills DBs to move in and then threw it.

INT.

Continuing to die on the hill of Patricia was actually good and Mac was just not running his genius offense right is an odd hill to continue to die on. Knowing what we do now.

Guess the media is all wrong. Why fire Patricia and hire O'brien. Our offensive coaching was just fine!

 

[Triumph]

Continuing to die on the hill of Patricia was actually good and Mac was just not running his genius offense right is an odd hill to continue to die on. Knowing what we do now.

Guess the media is all wrong. Why fire Patricia and hire O'brien. Our offensive coaching was just fine!

Now that Jets have Rodgers that takes away 2 of Corky Macs guaranteed wins. The Pat's will be lucky to win 1 game in the AFCE. Allen owns Corky and there is no way that Corky outplays a HOF QB. Tua probably coughs up a win for C Mac.

It's ok though because BOB can be the fall guy.

 

[Ian]

Now that Jets have Rodgers that takes away 2 of Corky Macs guaranteed wins. The Pat's will be lucky to win 1 game in the AFCE. Allen owns Corky and there is no way that Corky outplays a HOF QB. Tua probably coughs up a win for C Mac.

It's ok though because BOB can be the fall guy.

Ok - is this what we’re going to keep doing for the next however many months? It’s been just the same thing over and over…we get it, you hate Mac. But it is what it is until someone better comes along. Repeating the same thing over and over (and over) isn’t going to change it.

 

[Triumph]

Ok - is this what we’re going to keep doing for the next however many months? It’s been just the same thing over and over…we get it, you hate Mac. But it is what it is until someone better comes along. Repeating the same thing over and over (and over) isn’t going to change it.

The truth needs to be told.

You mentioned that on some of Jones INTs his arm was hit implying that the NE OL was actually to blame.

I posted 4 vids of separate INTs and there was not only plenty of time, but Jones was never touched.

 

[Ian]

The truth needs to be told.

You mentioned that on some of Jones INTs his arm was hit implying that the NE OL was actually to blame.

I posted 4 vids of separate INTs and there was not only plenty of time, but Jones was never touched.

I think he only had two plays where his arm was hit last year that were picked. However, the one point I've made is that none of his picks were blatantly thrown to the other team. They've all been either on slightly underthrown balls or on plays where the guy made a good play on the football. Doesn't necessarily excuse them, but it's somewhat of a positive relative to what we've seen from other quarterbacks. He at least doesn't make a lot of dumb decisions.

Regardless, it is what it is. You can keep repeating your "truth" but there's no one walking in the door yet who is a better option. Again, this is life being among NFL mortals. If elite quarterbacks grew on trees, everyone would have one. There are what, maybe 3? 4? in the entire league? He's who we have for 2023, and obviously, what happens this season will dictate if they'll pick up his option and how long he'll be here moving forward.

Repeating over and over again how much he sucks might make you feel better - but it makes every thread you keep repeating it frustrating to read. There's such a thing as picking your spots, which I guess is what I'm asking you to be a little more mindful of.

 

[Triumph]

However, the one point I've made is that none of his picks were blatantly thrown to the other team. They've all been either on slightly underthrown balls or on plays where the guy made a good play on the football.

 

[Ian]

Brought that exact play up earlier in the thread (or the other thread) - that was the worst interception he threw all last year when the linebacker was hidden behind the line and he didn't see him, and it happened in preseason.

 

[Triumph]

Brought that exact play up earlier in the thread (or the other thread) - that was the worst interception he threw all last year when the linebacker was hidden behind the line and he didn't see him, and it happened in preseason.

Mac didnt see the Bears defense here.

 

[Ian]

Mac didnt see the Bears defense here.

Underthrown ball where he couldn’t get enough on it while playing on a bum ankle. The Raiders play was one you see a fair amount of NFL QBs make that mistake repeatedly. Mac at least hasn’t been that.

Again, this year is going to decide his future, regardless of what any of us think. But he is who we have until they elevate Zappe or find someone else. Complaining all the time isn’t going to fix that.

 

[Triumph]

Underthrown ball where he couldn’t get enough on it while playing on a bum ankle.

He routinely throws off his back foot regardless of sore ankles.

The Raiders play was one you see a fair amount of NFL QBs make that mistake repeatedly. Mac at least hasn’t been that.

Last season vs the Jets, Jones threw the ball directly to a Jet player for a pic 6 that was luckily called back because of Roughing the passer.

Again, this year is going to decide his future, regardless of what any of us think.

Just might decide BBs future.

But he is who we have until they elevate Zappe or find someone else. Complaining all the time isn’t going to fix that.

BB is stubborn and succumbed to last seasons pressure of the NE QB controversy from the Boston media. My worst nightmare is a repeat of 2022.

 

[1960Pats]

Personally, I've always blamed Stevenson for his decision which started that sequence of events.. Meyers decision wasn't any better.

It's a tie game. Situational football. My cousin's husband tried to excuse it as similar to a Hail Mary.. ok, if we were losing, but again, it's a tie game. Play for OT.

Zero blame on Mac IMO.

Exactly.

And when will we toss some of the blame at the real culprits, the coaches. Isn't the HC the one who brags about coaching situational football? It clearly didn't get across to Stevenson and Myers.

 

[Sicilian]

Exactly.

And when will we toss some of the blame at the real culprits, the coaches. Isn't the HC the one who brags about coaching situational football? It clearly didn't get across to Stevenson and Myers.

Last year isn't a good year for me to go too far trying to defend the coaching staff, but I've said this before about that play: There's no coach in history that has ever had to take time to tell a player "Don't chuck the ball 30 yards back and across the field back to your QB in a tie game". It was just a bad brain fart. I'm not putting that one on Patricia (there are plenty of other things to put on him in general).

You could argue though that they should have just taken a knee given the general state of the offense, but then you'd have a lot of people claiming they're "playing scared", etc, especially because the common philosophy in the NFL is you play more aggressively for the win (rather than the tie) on the road.

 

[1960Pats]

Underthrown ball where he couldn’t get enough on it while playing on a bum ankle. The Raiders play was one you see a fair amount of NFL QBs make that mistake repeatedly. Mac at least hasn’t been that.

Again, this year is going to decide his future, regardless of what any of us think. But he is who we have until they elevate Zappe or find someone else. Complaining all the time isn’t going to fix that.

Imho throwing bouquets at everything doesn't work either. Sometimes the truth can be a cruel thing but it can still be an eye opener.

What I don't get is when did coaching become so important? And what separates them? The HC of the Pats put the team on hold, and may have messed things up, so that he could experiment with the team while he waited for a member of the good old boys network to become available. A coach btw who hasn't really shown us much but is now being looked at as a savior.

 

[1960Pats]

Last year isn't a good year for me to go too far trying to defend the coaching staff, but I've said this before about that play: There's no coach in history that has ever had to take time to tell a player "Don't chuck the ball 30 yards back and across the field back to your QB in a tie game". It was just a bad brain fart. I'm not putting that one on Patricia (there are plenty of other things to put on him in general).

You could argue though that they should have just taken a knee given the general state of the offense, but then you'd have a lot of people claiming they're "playing scared", etc, especially because the common philosophy in the NFL is you play more aggressively for the win (rather than the tie) on the road.

It was absolutely a screwup by the players. The situation called for nothing crazy and crazy is what they did. The only thing that makes me wonder is that I've heard Bill talk about situational football repeatedly over the years and I've seen him address the team about it in videos. Those players didn't seem to get the message.

 

[1960Pats]

Ok - is this what we’re going to keep doing for the next however many months? It’s been just the same thing over and over…we get it, you hate Mac. But it is what it is until someone better comes along. Repeating the same thing over and over (and over) isn’t going to change it.

There's hope for him.
I finally calmed down about Bill dumping Brady. It still bugs me but I don't bring it up as much as I used to. That only took a couple of years.

 

[Ian]

Imho throwing bouquets at everything doesn't work either. Sometimes the truth can be a cruel thing but it can still be an eye opener.

Not saying people have to throw bouquets, nor is telling the "truth" an issue. But repeating it over and over is my issue, especially since there literally is no other option, other than Zappe.

This season is essentially going to decide everything. He needs to play like he did in the first half of the final Bills game (he was 13-of-16 for 119 yards and 2TDs) for 17 games. Sounds like a big ask, but when you're talking about potentially paying a player $30 million a year+, obviously, it needs to be worth it. He's not Brady/Allen/Mahomes, etc. But if he can be who he was in that game, with this defense, that would be enough until someone else comes in and potentially pushes him out.

Most of us who support Jones are doing it because the team doesn't have a better option, barring Zappe coming in and lighting things up in preseason. At the same time, we gave him the benefit of the doubt based on the circumstances and I've written a couple of things where I've also been critical of him.

Obviously, things are different this time around and I'm sure he knows that. Not to mention that Belichick is also a little up against it and if Mac ends up struggling, the leash likely won't be long this season. But this is still sort of what we're going to be dealing with, at least until someone else comes along who they believe is a better long-term option.

 

[Ian]

There's hope for him.
I finally calmed down about Bill dumping Brady. It still bugs me but I don't bring it up as much as I used to. That only took a couple of years.

I agree, it still irks me, but it is what it is. Glad it played out the way it did for Brady's sake and it cemented his legacy and quieted all the people who were still bringing Rodgers/Manning/Mahomes into the conversation.

I don't think Mahomes will get there because of his style of play. I think injuries will cost him a few opportunities over his career and probably leave him short. But I do think he'll eclipse some of the other guys (Roethlisberger, Manning) and potentially end up with 1-2 more during his career, and I think Joe Burrow is likely going to be the guy who frustrates him a bit over that span.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

He routinely throws off his back foot regardless of sore ankles.

Last season vs the Jets, Jones threw the ball directly to a Jet player for a pic 6 that was luckily called back because of Roughing the passer.

Mac does not routinely throw off his back foot if that means he does not follow through. Mac does need to relax more and repeat the same complete throwing motion.

Every QB throws bad picks.