OT: Chargers WR Parker likely out vs. Pats

[Ring 6]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

VJ actually played alot last year...actually had the bigger catches...you might remember him from the pats playoff game....

the game parker fumbled a punt in

floyd had a great game in cincy but the reason he wasn't on the field alot last year was the same reason parker won't be this year

i'm just saying, keep acting like parker is that important to our offense, if it makes you feel better

cause most of us had him no higher than 3rd going into this season...it's just the truth

honestly, do you have caldwell rated as your #1 wr right now?

If Jackson played a lot, that makes his total of only 27 catches much more of an issue, doesnt it?

Floyd had 1 game? For the record he caught 5 passes in that game. Then he went on the catch 2 passes for 11 yards in the next 3 games.
I guess we should be touting Dave Thomas as better than Gates, since he had one good game too, and I kinda like him.

Caldwel is not our #1 for a VERY different reason. We went out and got better players.
You don't want Parker to be your #1, but its no more than wishful thinking.

Its very simple. Your #1 WR is about a #4. You dont like that. So you pretned that the guys who couldnt beat him out must be better because a #4 isnt a #1.
You don't have a #1, or a #2 and maybe not a #3 on your roster.

But go ahead, keep thinking that the path to stardom in the NFL is to ride the pine behind a bad player, and then some guy on a message board blindly believes in you, and all of sudden there was no reason you couldnt beat out the bad player, and that message board guy's wild ass guess turns out to be right.

I can count all the times that thinking was correct on less than one finger.

 

[jcdavey]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

Your argument is ludicrous.
Parker BEAT OUT AND PLAYED AHEAD OF Jackson and Floyd (please stop using the injury excuse, Floyd was active for 12 games) but you now feel that because Parker is not that good that this means the guys who sat behind must be good?
I agree with you that Parker is not a good NFL starting WR. What you seem to be hiding from is that most likely means the men who FAILED TO BEAT HIM OUT FOR A JOB are worse.

parker was a good 3rd down reception guy, and he dropped hardly anything, and he was ahead of floyd and VJ simply for the fact vj was injured most of 05, and hell so was floyd

in the nfl alot of guys have their spot based on time served, and if you knew anything about schottenheimer, that's how he runs his teams anyway, guys don't beat out veterans, hell he had LT running late 05 with a cracked rib lol.

vj and floyd are good, hopefully they don't get hurt, davis is an unknown coomodity

but the simple fact of this whole discussion is, parker isn't that important in our offense as you'd hope he is....it's just the truth.

i was just trying to help you out.

 

[Ring 6]

i think you're building up indy's D a bit, they weren't that good of a defense, they just got bailed out in the playoffs.

they certainly didn't have to face any really solid O till NE, and NE should have put them away....by running

you guys had 2 rbs avg more than 6 yds against on their D, but you split the carries out rather than having one rb work them over

and maroney got owned by them, dillon actually made progress

if you guys would have had a rb who could have (or if you'd chosen to) eaten up around 20+carries to exploit their weakness, you would have won

They were aterrible defense in the reg season, and played exceptionally in the playoffs.

Did you even watch the game?
Dillons stats were buoyed by one long run.
In the second half, the Colts D oversold to stop the run, as bad as Ive ever seen. Almost every running play had the RB hit 2 yard in the backfield.
No team could have run against that, unless they threw totake them out of it, and alas, the WR position allowed them to be able to cheat the run. With the WRs on this team from 03-05, the Pats would have put the Colts away by the end of third quarter.
The fact is the Colts gambled they could cover the WRs while overcommitting to the run. It worked. With stronger WRs, the Patirots win that game going away.

 

[jcdavey]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

If Jackson played a lot, that makes his total of only 27 catches much more of an issue, doesnt it?

Floyd had 1 game? For the record he caught 5 passes in that game. Then he went on the catch 2 passes for 11 yards in the next 3 games.
I guess we should be touting Dave Thomas as better than Gates, since he had one good game too, and I kinda like him.

Caldwel is not our #1 for a VERY different reason. We went out and got better players.
You don't want Parker to be your #1, but its no more than wishful thinking.

Its very simple. Your #1 WR is about a #4. You dont like that. So you pretned that the guys who couldnt beat him out must be better because a #4 isnt a #1.
You don't have a #1, or a #2 and maybe not a #3 on your roster.

But go ahead, keep thinking that the path to stardom in the NFL is to ride the pine behind a bad player, and then some guy on a message board blindly believes in you, and all of sudden there was no reason you couldnt beat out the bad player, and that message board guy's wild ass guess turns out to be right.

I can count all the times that thinking was correct on less than one finger.

tds? parker vj and floyd? lol

and how is moss and stallworth or even welker better than caldwell, they've never even played with brady in ne yet....

have you even seen moss the past couple years ( i know you have )
as for stallworth.....dicey

welker's pretty cool but , caldwell is your #1 wr based on experience in your system, if i wanted to sound like you

 

[patriot lifer]

the Chargers really don't need any wide receivers that are great. They have excellent pass protection, a great running game, and Gates (and a decent qb). That can make up for a mediocre receiver core.

 

[jcdavey]

They were aterrible defense in the reg season, and played exceptionally in the playoffs.

Did you even watch the game?
Dillons stats were buoyed by one long run.
In the second half, the Colts D oversold to stop the run, as bad as Ive ever seen. Almost every running play had the RB hit 2 yard in the backfield.
No team could have run against that, unless they threw totake them out of it, and alas, the WR position allowed them to be able to cheat the run. With the WRs on this team from 03-05, the Pats would have put the Colts away by the end of third quarter.
The fact is the Colts gambled they could cover the WRs while overcommitting to the run. It worked. With stronger WRs, the Patirots win that game going away.

i watched NE gift wrap the game to indy by not exploiting their weaknesses on D (i have the entire playoffs on dvd...yes)

indy's D was the exact same as it had been in the regular season, and you guys should have taken advantage of it, maybe the sd game took too much out of them, or they got overconfident when up 20-3

who knows, but i know why you're acting like indy had a good D in the playoffs, because you don't want to believe NE could have got overconfident and pulled a SD, gifting a win into a loss.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

parker was a good 3rd down reception guy, and he dropped hardly anything, and he was ahead of floyd and VJ simply for the fact vj was injured most of 05, and hell so was floyd

in the nfl alot of guys have their spot based on time served, and if you knew anything about schottenheimer, that's how he runs his teams anyway, guys don't beat out veterans, hell he had LT running late 05 with a cracked rib lol.

vj and floyd are good, hopefully they don't get hurt, davis is an unknown coomodity

but the simple fact of this whole discussion is, parker isn't that important in our offense as you'd hope he is....it's just the truth.

i was just trying to help you out.

I could care less abut the chargers. I have no 'hope' positive or negative.
I think the Chargers are a total non-factor as far as the Pats are concerned.
Your team was ripped apart losing the entire braintrust and replacing it with a guy who has proven one thing, he is a loser as an NFL coach.
There may be enough talent there to squeak out a playoff berth, but that and a first round exit is the extreme high side for the Chargers.

I am only taking up this argument because your statement are ignorant and unsupported.

We agree your best WR sucks.
Your answer is to pretend that the guys who couldnt beat him out were better, which is ridiculous, and I am sure you know that.
Now, you come to the conclusion that Parker and hi s whopping 28 career starts made him an untouchable grizzle dveteran and guys in the league a year or two less had no chance of beating him out because of your coach.

I have not yet seen anywhere you have shown me the idea that Parker was "going to be #3 at best" comes from anywhere other than your fantasy world, unless 'most of us' means you know people who share your fantasy.

 

[jcdavey]

oh and about running games, you guys should really take a long look at michael turner in free agency next year, that guy is great.

 

[Ring 6]

i watched NE gift wrap the game to indy by not exploiting their weaknesses on D (i have the entire playoffs on dvd...yes)

indy's D was the exact same as it had been in the regular season, and you guys should have taken advantage of it, maybe the sd game took too much out of them, or they got overconfident when up 20-3

who knows, but i know why you're acting like indy had a good D in the playoffs, because you don't want to believe NE could have got overconfident and pulled a SD, gifting a win into a loss.

Watch the game. Watch the 2nd half. They played defense in the 2nd half to take away the run at all cost. If you know anything about football, and actually did watch the game (congrats on your dvd collection but that doesnt mean you use them) you would know that.

 

[jcdavey]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

I could care less abut the chargers. I have no 'hope' positive or negative.
I think the Chargers are a total non-factor as far as the Pats are concerned.
Your team was ripped apart losing the entire braintrust and replacing it with a guy who has proven one thing, he is a loser as an NFL coach.
There may be enough talent there to squeak out a playoff berth, but that and a first round exit is the extreme high side for the Chargers.

I am only taking up this argument because your statement are ignorant and unsupported.

We agree your best WR sucks.
Your answer is to pretend that the guys who couldnt beat him out were better, which is ridiculous, and I am sure you know that.
Now, you come to the conclusion that Parker and hi s whopping 28 career starts made him an untouchable grizzle dveteran and guys in the league a year or two less had no chance of beating him out because of your coach.

I have not yet seen anywhere you have shown me the idea that Parker was "going to be #3 at best" comes from anywhere other than your fantasy world, unless 'most of us' means you know people who share your fantasy.

yeah marty's part of a braintrust 5-13

that's pretty good


the fantasy is how you thought parker was slotted to be sd's #1 wr this coming season

that's just hilarious, but i can see how you'd think that being isolated to this board

you probably just don't know about other teams.

 

[jcdavey]

Watch the game. Watch the 2nd half. They played defense in the 2nd half to take away the run at all cost. If you know anything about football, and actually did watch the game (congrats on your dvd collection but that doesnt mean you use them) you would know that.

just for you, i'm going to rewatch that game today and make some notes

 

[Ring 6]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

tds? parker vj and floyd? lol

and how is moss and stallworth or even welker better than caldwell, they've never even played with brady in ne yet....

have you even seen moss the past couple years ( i know you have )
as for stallworth.....dicey

welker's pretty cool but , caldwell is your #1 wr based on experience in your system, if i wanted to sound like you

They are better because they are proven to be better players.
They were obtained because of that.
Your argument is totally different. You think your guys who were beaten out by the guys who sucks are better, because you need them to be.

 

[DaBruinz]

oh and about running games, you guys should really take a long look at michael turner in free agency next year, that guy is great.

I agree that Turner is a very good RB. There is one problem. The Pats are committed to Maroney and they won't be looking at Turner unless Maroney is injured again. OH, and the Pats could have much bigger issues. They have several key players who could, very well, retire, if the Pats win this year. Including Seau, Harrison, and Bruschi.

 

[jcdavey]

ok watching a bit of it now

maroney gets too fancey in the backfield up 21-3 and driving, loses a yard, you needed a punishing rusher there, not a dancer

then troy brown with a huge penalty setting up a long 3rd down and brady geatting eaten by freeney...wasted opportunity there, and not really because of the indy D (not even to the 2nd half yet)

 

[DaBruinz]

Now, as for JCDavey downplaying the loss of Eric Parker. That is typical.
Vincent Jackson SHOULD do well. He has to step up and show that he's good enough. So does Floyd. I think BOTH could do so. However, its pure ignorance to say that the loss of Parker, who was the Chargers best WR last year and also their primary punt returner.

That means you'll be relying on unproven guys like Jackson and Floyd at the starting WR spot and possibly Davis to step up as the punt returner, though he doesn't have a lot of experience from the college ranks to pull from.

I would think that someone like yourself, who claims to be intelligent and knows the league well, would be able to see what a wholesale change over in a receiving corps (removing the top two, bumping the 3rd guy up to a starting position, etc, etc) can do to a team JUST by looking at the Patriots last year.

Now, what I can say is this. IF Norv Turner has a brain, he will use the same offense from the previous seasons. And, in that offense, the primary receivers are Tomlinson and Gates with the WR positions tending to be the 3rd, 4th and 5th receiving options.

 

[DaBruinz]

ok watching a bit of it now

maroney gets too fancey in the backfield up 21-3 and driving, loses a yard, you needed a punishing rusher there, not a dancer

then troy brown with a huge penalty setting up a long 3rd down and brady geatting eaten by freeney...wasted opportunity there, and not really because of the indy D (not even to the 2nd half yet)

It was a BS penalty that shouldn't have been called. As for Maroney getting too fancy, he was playing with damaged rib cartiledge.

I wouldn't expect someone like yourself to actually look at the game in any unbiased way because you have your panties in a wad over the fact you've been called on your trying to downplay the loss of Partker.

 

[jcdavey]

It was a BS penalty that shouldn't have been called. As for Maroney getting too fancy, he was playing with damaged rib cartiledge.

I wouldn't expect someone like yourself to actually look at the game in any unbiased way because you have your panties in a wad over the fact you've been called on your trying to downplay the loss of Partker.

you're trying to upplay (probably not a word) the loss of parker

so maroney was injured again that game?

 

[jcdavey]

Now, as for JCDavey downplaying the loss of Eric Parker. That is typical.
Vincent Jackson SHOULD do well. He has to step up and show that he's good enough. So does Floyd. I think BOTH could do so. However, its pure ignorance to say that the loss of Parker, who was the Chargers best WR last year and also their primary punt returner.

That means you'll be relying on unproven guys like Jackson and Floyd at the starting WR spot and possibly Davis to step up as the punt returner, though he doesn't have a lot of experience from the college ranks to pull from.

I would think that someone like yourself, who claims to be intelligent and knows the league well, would be able to see what a wholesale change over in a receiving corps (removing the top two, bumping the 3rd guy up to a starting position, etc, etc) can do to a team JUST by looking at the Patriots last year.

Now, what I can say is this. IF Norv Turner has a brain, he will use the same offense from the previous seasons. And, in that offense, the primary receivers are Tomlinson and Gates with the WR positions tending to be the 3rd, 4th and 5th receiving options.

i'm surprised you didn't know norv installed that offense and had cam working under him in washington (norv installed the sd offense LT's rookie year)

 

[DaBruinz]

you're trying to upplay (probably not a word) the loss of parker

so maroney was injured again that game?

Maroney was not 100% healthy when he came back.

And no, I am not trying to exaggerate the loss of Parker. Unlike you, I am dealing in the facts of the situation. All you have to do is put aside your blind homerism for a second and you will recognize it.

Parker was your #1 WR last year. Passing McCardell, who was the number 2. Floyd was looking good, but he suffered the injury that ended his season. Do you honestly think he will come back without missing a beat? Even Harrison took time to get to 100% last year. As did Matt Light and Dan Koppen. All 3 were recoving from major injuries.

For you to sit there and make it sound like Parker was the #3 behind Jackson, who hasn't proven himself yet, and Floyd, who is coming back from injury, is just laughable and takes away from your credibility.

 

[DougGabriel2007]

Muffed punts, dropped passes....I think I'd rather have this guy playing Sept 16....