OT : Carson Wentz to Washington

[Ring 6]

He needs a quarterback who doesn't f*** him over in the postseason.

Garoppolo in 6 postseason starts has 232 or less passing yards in all 6, 131 or less in 3, INTs in 5, 0 TDs in 3, etc. Garoppolo hasn't been able to even sustain the game-manager role.

He chose Garapolo, extended him and kept putting him on the field, plus created the game plans that took the ball out if his hands.
Geniuses don’t use their own decisions as excuses for failure, geniuses make good decisions and succeed.

 

[crawhammer]

He chose Garapolo, extended him and kept putting him on the field, plus created the game plans that took the ball out if his hands.
Geniuses don’t use their own decisions as excuses for failure, geniuses make good decisions and succeed.

Is KS considered a genius? Bill Walsh is a genius... his offense accounted for 5 Super Bowls in SF. With or without Garoppolo, I think KS probably needs to win at least one Super Bowl before we're mentioning him in the same breath as BW. That said, Garoppolo screwed KS in SB 54.

 

[Ring 6]

Is KS considered a genius? Bill Walsh is a genius... his offense accounted for 5 Super Bowls in SF. With or without Garoppolo, I think KS probably needs to win at least one Super Bowl before we're mentioning him in the same breath as BW. That said, Garoppolo screwed KS in SB 54.

My posts was agreeing that shanahan is overrated.
Your response seemed to disagree and call it Jimmy Gs fault.
Shanahans offenses have mostly been mediocre throughout his career.
He belongs in a sentence with Bill Walsh like Jeff Garcia belongs in a sentence with Joe Montana

 

[crawhammer]

My posts was agreeing that shanahan is overrated.
Your response seemed to disagree and call it Jimmy Gs fault.
Shanahans offenses have mostly been mediocre throughout his career.
He belongs in a sentence with Bill Walsh like Jeff Garcia belongs in a sentence with Joe Montana

If people are calling KS a genius then he's overrated. Agreed.
I do however think KS had the 49ers in position to win SB 54 until Garoppolo screwed it up.

 

[Ring 6]

If people are calling KS a genius then he's overrated. Agreed.
I do however think KS had the 49ers in position to win SB 54 until Garoppolo screwed it up.

If people are calling him good he is overrated.

 

[Biffins]

Ariens said he would demand five first round draft picks for rights to Brady. Doubt niners are giving up that for 1-2 years of Tom

If Arians gets another QB with a $30m guaranteed then Brady can do what he wants. They won’t be able to keep both on roster. Brady can show up late into camp and they’ll be forced to release him.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Three teams in three years. There are red flags here for days.

And then there is the Jacksonville debacle last season.

If it looks like a jet qb, plays like a jet qb, and whines like a jet qb, wentz must be the the next jet qb, after Wilson flames out!

 

[Deus Irae]

If Arians gets another QB with a $30m guaranteed then Brady can do what he wants. They won’t be able to keep both on roster. Brady can show up late into camp and they’ll be forced to release him.

I'll be following Gronk as the canary in the coal mine. The longer he stays unsigned, the more I'll start thinking TB12 is looking to come out of retirement, and Gronk's going with him.

 

[Triumph]

I'll be following Gronk as the canary in the coal mine. The longer he stays unsigned, the more I'll start thinking TB12 is looking to come out of retirement, and Gronk's going with him.

Edelman too.

An Edelman @ 50% capacity is still a good Edelman.

 

[Triumph]

If people are calling KS a genius then he's overrated. Agreed.
I do however think KS had the 49ers in position to win SB 54 until Garoppolo screwed it up.

Shanahan was too conservative and coached not to lose.

His hands were somewhat tied though with Jimmy. When your QB is playing in sunny California only completes 6 passes for 77 yards with 0 TDs, youve got the GOAT game manger under center. NFC Championship - Green Bay Packers at San Francisco 49ers - January 19th, 2020 | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[Ring 6]

Shanahan was too conservative and coached not to lose.

His hands were somewhat tied though with Jimmy. When your QB is playing in sunny California only completes 6 passes for 77 yards with 0 TDs, youve got the GOAT game manger under center. NFC Championship - Green Bay Packers at San Francisco 49ers - January 19th, 2020 | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Haha. They dominated the game and led 27-0 at halftime.
Not only did Jimmy have nothing to do with only calling 8 pass plays, it worked. They won.

 

[1960Pats]

Shanahan is ridiculously overrated. His offenses performed very mediocrely overly when he was an OC, and the 49er offense that he has had plenty of time to mold has bern meh.
Somehow he is considered “young and smart” and people overlook results.

Nepotism.

 

[1960Pats]

Shanahan was too conservative and coached not to lose.

His hands were somewhat tied though with Jimmy. When your QB is playing in sunny California only completes 6 passes for 77 yards with 0 TDs, youve got the GOAT game manger under center. NFC Championship - Green Bay Packers at San Francisco 49ers - January 19th, 2020 | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Shanahan had his best weapon blocking at the end.

 

[crawhammer]

If people are calling him good he is overrated.

Come on, Kyle Shanahan is good. SF was practically the worst team in the NFL when he became their HC. His 3rd season there he had them in the Super Bowl. They beat the #1 seed this postseason and made it to the conference championship game. And he did these things with a mediocre quarterback who chokes when the game's on the line. KS is a good HC.

Shanahan was too conservative and coached not to lose.

They were down 4 points with the ball at midfield, 1st down, and two minutes left in the game. Garoppolo had three incompletions, the last of which should have been a TD completion to Sanders, and then he took a sack on 4th down. When SF got the ball back, Garoppolo went incompletion, interception, game over. SF ran 17 offensive plays in the 4th quarter of SB 54, 13 were pass plays... Garoppolo was 3-11 with an INT... the other two plays were a sack and a scramble for a short gain. KS tried to be aggressive but it didn't work because Garoppolo was terrible.

 

[Vatahala]

So what's the deal with Derek Carr? Did McDaniels plant a story that other teams were interested in Carr just to help out new contract talks, Would Josh consider signing Jimmy G.?






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[Ring 6]

Come on, Kyle Shanahan is good. SF was practically the worst team in the NFL when he became their HC. His 3rd season there he had them in the Super Bowl. They beat the #1 seed this postseason and made it to the conference championship game. And he did these things with a mediocre quarterback who chokes when the game's on the line. KS is a good HC.


They were down 4 points with the ball at midfield, 1st down, and two minutes left in the game. Garoppolo had three incompletions, the last of which should have been a TD completion to Sanders, and then he took a sack on 4th down. When SF got the ball back, Garoppolo went incompletion, interception, game over. SF ran 17 offensive plays in the 4th quarter of SB 54, 13 were pass plays... Garoppolo was 3-11 with an INT... the other two plays were a sack and a scramble for a short gain. KS tried to be aggressive but it didn't work because Garoppolo was terrible.

Shanahan has a losing record overall and a losing record in 3 of his 5 seasons.
He chose the QB and kept him in there. He calls the plays.
Look at the history of offenses he runs.
He has been an OC or HC for 14 years. His offenses have been in the bottom half of the league in scoring in 9 of those seasons. 20th or worse in 8.
How is that good? Below average 9 times above average 5.

 

[crawhammer]

Shanahan has a losing record overall and a losing record in 3 of his 5 seasons.
He chose the QB and kept him in there. He calls the plays.
Look at the history of offenses he runs.
He has been an OC or HC for 14 years. His offenses have been in the bottom half of the league in scoring in 9 of those seasons. 20th or worse in 8.
How is that good? Below average 9 times above average 5.

I'm mostly looking at KS as a HC, which limits the sample size to 5 seasons in SF. The team was completely awful, both sides of the ball, the two seasons prior to KS's arrival.

Their offense went from 32nd (last) in 2015 to 2nd in 2019 with KS. Their offense went south in 2020 but they were stuck with Nick Mullens as the starter for half of the season because fragile Jimmy was hurt. Their offense was respectable this past season.

Their defense went from dead last in PA and YA in 2016 to top 10 in PA for two of the last three seasons and top 5 in YA for the last three seasons. So there's been marked improvement under KS as the HC. And again, two of the last three season, they're played in a Super Bowl and another NFCCG.

Looking at his overall numbers as a OC and HC, in 8 of 14 seasons his offense was top 10 in yards. Only once has it been bottom 10. Only four times has his offense been bottom 10 in points. He's had three different teams (WAS, ATL & SF) reach the top 5 in scoring... including the #1 ranked scoring offense in 2016. Atlanta didn't blow SB 51 because of Shanahan. Ryan had nearly a perfect passer rating and they ran for over 100 yards. From an OC perspective, he did his job well enough to win that game.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm mostly looking at KS as a HC, which limits the sample size to 5 seasons in SF. The team was completely awful, both sides of the ball, the two seasons prior to KS's arrival.

Their offense went from 32nd (last) in 2015 to 2nd in 2019 with KS. Their offense went south in 2020 but they were stuck with Nick Mullens as the starter for half of the season because fragile Jimmy was hurt. Their offense was respectable this past season.

Their defense went from dead last in PA and YA in 2016 to top 10 in PA for two of the last three seasons and top 5 in YA for the last three seasons. So there's been marked improvement under KS as the HC. And again, two of the last three season, they're played in a Super Bowl and another NFCCG.

Looking at his overall numbers as a OC and HC, in 8 of 14 seasons his offense was top 10 in yards. Only once has it been bottom 10. Only four times has his offense been bottom 10 in points. He's had three different teams (WAS, ATL & SF) reach the top 5 in scoring... including the #1 ranked scoring offense in 2016. Atlanta didn't blow SB 51 because of Shanahan. Ryan had nearly a perfect passer rating and they ran for over 100 yards. From an OC perspective, he did his job well enough to win that game.

So excuses and you think yards matter more than points. Nope, not buying your argument.
9 times out of 14 his offense was below average. Picking out a few positives in these 14 years to try to diminish the negative body of work is lame.

 

[crawhammer]

So excuses and you think yards matter more than points. Nope, not buying your argument.
9 times out of 14 his offense was below average. Picking out a few positives in these 14 years to try to diminish the negative body of work is lame.

Scoring offense is more important than yards. Aside from Cleveland, where he was OC for one season, every team's offense improved in scoring under Shanahan. He got all of them into the top 10 and three into the top 5. His offense was the reason why Atlanta made it to the Super Bowl in 2016; Atlanta's defense was terrible.

I also think the guy deserves major credit for making it to a Super Bowl and going 4-2 in the postseason with a quarterback like Garoppolo. Shanahan has done a lot more with a mediocre quarterback than Belichick ever has.

 

[Ring 6]

Scoring offense is more important than yards. Aside from Cleveland, where he was OC for one season, every team's offense improved in scoring under Shanahan. He got all of them into the top 10 and three into the top 5. His offense was the reason why Atlanta made it to the Super Bowl in 2016; Atlanta's defense was terrible.

I also think the guy deserves major credit for making it to a Super Bowl and going 4-2 in the postseason with a quarterback like Garoppolo. Shanahan has done a lot more with a mediocre quarterback than Belichick ever has.

9 out of 14 were below average.
Making excuses that 23rd was an improvement is silly.
Most coaches have some level of success. The body of work says it Kyle shanahan runs your offense it will be below average about twice as often as above average. That is not good.
I can only deal with results. If he improves his results then I would adjust my opinion.
Not sure what Belichick has to do with this other than you reaching for a made up lifeline as your argument drowns.