OT: Andrew Luck's Level

[Triumph]

Are you kidding me. What did he have around him when he was taking his team to conference championship game. That roster is awful. And it's been awful since he got there. That's one of the worst offensive lines in the league this year. Yet he was having a really nice year. Come on man. They never gave him a defense, or a running game, or any real weapons. As I've said before this is elway esque.

Have you ever thought of being Lucks agent?

 

[goheels22002]

Andrew Luck has a lower career completion percentage than Colin Kaepernick.

NFL Career Pass Completion % Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Wilson is a 1st tier QB.

the dudes a winnah

 

[Fixit]

He gets six games a year against the Texans, Jags and Titans.

And plays, at a bare minimum, nine games a year in a dome.

 

[DarrylS]

When you have an owner with a drug addled mind it is reflected on the whole organization..

You cannot be a good quarterback without a good coach, good O coordinator, good O line, good D etc. but it starts at the top and works its way down..

And his commercials with the cat sucks.. p..ssy!!!

No concerns about integrity of the game here says Roger!!!

 

[ChessToCheckers]

IMO: Wilson is definitively top five! He seems to play better every year and has learned to be a pocket passer first, elite scrambler second. He thrives under pressure and makes accurate throws all over the field. He is the only current opposing QB I truly fear right now. Luck, is a gunslinger like Favre, but nowhere near as durable.

 

[Rob0729]

I think it's hard to say how good Luck really is, when he's playing from behind so often and trying to cover for a team with a bunch of critical-to-fatal flaws.

I think it's fair to say from what we've seen that he holds onto the ball too long, absorbs too much punishment, makes a couple questionable decisions per game, and all in all deserves some of the blame for the deficits the Colts consistently find themselves in.

But I'm not ready to declare that that's what he is. Maybe on another team he'd be a different, better quarterback. We can't definitively say he wouldn't be. So for now I'm inclined to just say he's on the lower end of the top 10 QBs in the NFL. If I was building a team from scratch, I'd rather have Wilson.

To the holding on to the ball too long, I think his o-line gets too much crap because of this. The Colts' o-line is not good, but Luck really does hold onto the ball way too long far too often. But he never gets blamed for that in many circles. It is always his o-line.

Another major weakness for him is that he over-relies on his primary receiver. He has thrown the ball 412 times this season and 101 of them were to TY Hilton.

 

[Rob0729]

Are you kidding me. What did he have around him when he was taking his team to conference championship game. That roster is awful. And it's been awful since he got there. That's one of the worst offensive lines in the league this year. Yet he was having a really nice year. Come on man. They never gave him a defense, or a running game, or any real weapons. As I've said before this is elway esque.

They made it to the AFCCG despite of Luck though. He played well against the forever one and done Bengals who always implode in the playoffs. But Luck was awful against the Broncos and Patriots. The only reason the Colts beat the Broncos was because the Colts' defense shut down the Broncos' QB-less offense. Peyton Manning played that game like he was a Colts' double agent who was released by the Colts for that very moment to sink the Broncos' chances of beating the Colts in that game.

 

[goheels22002]

IMO: Wilson is definitively top five! He seems to play better every year and has learned to be a pocket passer first, elite scrambler second. He thrives under pressure and makes accurate throws all over the field. He is the only current opposing QB I truly fear right now. Luck, is a gunslinger like Favre, but nowhere near as durable.

Top five right now? Not career, but this week in the NFL.

Mine would be:

Tom Brady
Derek Carr
Dak Prescott - this kid is great. Let's see how he does as the pressure builds
Russell Wilson - great yards/attempt stat despite few TD passes
Matty Ryan - having an all-pro year

Just missed: Drew Brees and Marcus Mariota

QB I fear most in the playoffs - Ben Roethlisberger, especially with Antonio Brown. The Steelers would be truly threatening if they had a decent game-coaching staff.

2016 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Russell Wilson
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Cam Newton
Derek Carr
Andrew Luck
Joe Flacco
Matt Ryan
Dak Prescott
Alex Smith
Kirk Cousins
Andy Dalton
Carson Palmer
Mathew Stafford
Jameis Winston
Tyrod Taylor
Marcus Mariotta
Blake Bortles
Sam Bradford
Ryan Tannehill
Trevor Sieman
Brock Osweiler
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Colin Kaepernick
Josh McCown
Jay Cutler

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Somehow, those weapons that he didn't have caught 410 passes. I'm sure that's only because Luck is the Chosen One though, nothing to do with the taleents of Hilton, Wayne and Fleener. He's had more to work with than Brady had in his earlier years, and he's been doing it in a league in which they're playing glorified touch football. He get's six games a year against the Texans, Jags and Titans. And every time he runs up against a real team in the playoffs, he craps his pants. No, the team clearly hasn't done him any favors, but nobody forced him to sign that enormous contract extension. He's not terrible, but he's not elite. He's in Stafford, Bledsoe, Favre territory.

don't forget the fact that he plays at least 9 games a year in a dome

 

[jmt57]

Not to derail this thread away from the topic of Andrew Luck, but...

I have seen two full length quarterback lists in this thread, and both (in my opinion) have Marcus Mariota ranked far too low. Currently Mariota ranks 7th in both yards per pass attempt and passer rating. 23 Touchdowns to 8 interceptions, with a far worse supporting cast than Luck has. That +15 TD:INT differential is tied for 7th best (with TB12) in the NFL. The passing touchdown percentage is third best in the league, behind Brady and Matt Ryan.

The total number of picks Mariota has thrown is slightly high, but not awful. I would rank him above Palmer, Dalton, Bortles, Taylor, Eli, Flacco, etc.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

The reason i'd take Luck over Wilson is games like today.

No chance the Bucs could hold an Andrew Luck led team to 5 points, if the Colts kept any team in the 14 to points like the Seahawks today Luck wins that game 99 times out of 100.

Luck lost a game this year scoring 35 points when he gave his team the lead kicking off with 40 seconds left and they couldn't hold it, that goes against his "W/L record" but what else can you do?

I'm pretty sure if you give Luck an elite defense he can play a safe QB style and limit the turnovers just like Wilson has, he did it at Stanford but he's forced to carry a team that has a bottom 5 defense and rushing attack, if you look at most QBs they're more turnover prone in their first 7 years in the NFL then they start to go down.

The biggest compliment that can be paid to Luck is that team he carried to Foxboro in the AFC Championship game for the famous "Deflategate game" has to be one of the worst rosters ever to play in a Championship game in a long time, he brought that team down from 28pts in the Wildcard round then won in Denver in the Divisional round, that team had no business being one of the final 4 in an NFL season.

 

[rochrist]

The reason i'd take Luck over Wilson is games like today.

No chance the Bucs could hold an Andrew Luck led team to 5 points, if the Colts kept any team in the 14 to points like the Seahawks today Luck wins that game 99 times out of 100.

Of course, the presupposes Luck actually played in the game and didn't miss it the way he missed his own game today.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

Of course, the presupposes Luck actually played in the game and didn't miss it the way he missed his own game today.

Seahawks defense lost it for game manager Russ, 5 points should of been enough to get it done

 

[chumpchange]

Luck hasn't done much to justify praise. Thus far we're still wading through the pile of hopes, dreams, and excuses projected on him. He's not a great QB now, he wasn't five years ago, and I don't see much evidence he will be five years from now.

Agreed. I never understood why the front office was so quick to cast off Manning for Luck. Manning, in three years with the Broncos after the Colts tossed him on the trash heap, went to the Superbowl two times, one it once, and had 12-4 seasons or better every year (I think). And what did the Colts get? The constant reassurance by the organization that Luck is best quarterback in the league ever, and a consistent stomping by us every time we meet them in the playoffs. Quarterbacks like Manning are usually a once-in-lifetime phenomena for the average fan. Rarely do the quarterbacks coming behind a legend ever even come close to that type of success.

 

[Rob0729]

The reason i'd take Luck over Wilson is games like today.

No chance the Bucs could hold an Andrew Luck led team to 5 points, if the Colts kept any team in the 14 to points like the Seahawks today Luck wins that game 99 times out of 100.

Luck lost a game this year scoring 35 points when he gave his team the lead kicking off with 40 seconds left and they couldn't hold it, that goes against his "W/L record" but what else can you do?

I'm pretty sure if you give Luck an elite defense he can play a safe QB style and limit the turnovers just like Wilson has, he did it at Stanford but he's forced to carry a team that has a bottom 5 defense and rushing attack, if you look at most QBs they're more turnover prone in their first 7 years in the NFL then they start to go down.

The biggest compliment that can be paid to Luck is that team he carried to Foxboro in the AFC Championship game for the famous "Deflategate game" has to be one of the worst rosters ever to play in a Championship game in a long time, he brought that team down from 28pts in the Wildcard round then won in Denver in the Divisional round, that team had no business being one of the final 4 in an NFL season.

On the flip side, Russell Wilson rarely throws the ill timed INT at a key moment that Andrew Luck has been know to do. That is the danger of Luck.

 

[farn]

Luck IS devalued (justifiably IMO) because he was the chosen one. He was the one who was going to follow the current greats, lead the Colts & the NFL in a new era, bring balance to the force.

Instead, he has regressed. He keeps throwing picks, NOT winning. At this point : he is decent at best. Wilson had a very rough, disgusting day. But, there is no question I'd pick him before Luck.

Makes me appreciate Brady even more. Today was very rough for him - especially through three quarters. Yet, his team didn't put up 5 Pts. TB lead his team to a win. TB > the other QBs.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

On the flip side, Russell Wilson rarely throws the ill timed INT at a key moment that Andrew Luck has been know to do. That is the danger of Luck.

Like on the 1 yard line in the Super Bowl?

Only the worst bad throw of all time.

 

[Rob0729]

Like on the 1 yard line in the Super Bowl?

Only the worst bad throw of all time.

Luck has a bad INT almost every game it seems.

And Wilson's wasn't a bad throw. It was a stupid play call.