OT: All 14 draft picks make Browns 53

[slam]

I understand that must be Jackson's reasoning, but it's a seriously risky roll of the dice toward long-term payoff. For example, imagine the cap implications in a few years if most of those rookies stick and become significant contributors. As for 2016, they're once again asking fans to be patient after many years of suffering. I don't know enough about the Browns to figure if they otherwise could've hoped to be competitive this year, but 14 rookies pretty much signals "wait 'til next year once again." As we all know, BB's renovation emphasized signing role-specific savvy veterans and spreading the wealth, which paid off quickly.

I imagine they'd be thrilled to have that problem. They'd resign the best, let some walk and get comp picks in return, and trade others to get back assets.

The real problem is if they keep 14 and most of them suck.

 

[Tunescribe]

Bb started street free agents in 2000. He cleaned house and brought in no "savvy veteran role players". He did that in 2001.
In 2000 he took over a mediocre team that was headed for a long run of mediocrity and gutted it.

That's what I was saying. I view 2000-2001 as a continuum of establishing his program and he won quickly (second year) by bringing in savvy veteran role players.

Are you really saying that if BB had kept:
Kgh instead of ebner
Lucien instead of harbor
Leblanc instead of King
Any rookie instead of Cameron Fleming
That he would have been giving up on the season by keeping 14 rookies?
He kept 10.

This is an established team with continuity and ample playoff experience. Cleveland is not. Big difference.

 

[Joey007]

For some reason I find that funny.
As far as Jackson we will see but his track record doesn't suggest he will be anything special.

I think, therefore I am.

I do feel that he got a bad deal in Oakland. Keep in mind this guy took over a pretty lousy Raiders team and nearly took them to the playoffs in his first year in 2011.

The Raiders then inexplicably went on to fire him after the season. Can it really be said that he's gotten a fair chance in the league as a head coach, or that he did a bad job in the past as a head coach?

 

[pazrul72]

I am actually totally fine with that and would do similar if I was a coach/gm taking over a long time ****ty franchise. Clean house get young cheap players and trade for LOTS of picks. Yeah you are gonna suck for a year or two but once all the dead money is off the boards you have guys entering their primes with experience that you can fill out in FA. Are you going to have misses and holes? Yeah but now you have money to get vets in positions of need. I would build both lines into the best of the NFL and get hungry vets on the cheap. A guy like Chris ivory behind a monster line is IMO better and more affordable then having just AP...or that caliber back. Go with 4 decent c+ - b+ receiving options instead of an AJ green. Every year my first round pick is O or D line whichever is the BPA. Short of getting a Rodgers or Brady make do with a cheaper option and use the coin/draft picks from trading up to have a deep versatile defense. It takes patience and hitting big a time or two with lower picks so most teams won't do it but I am sure it could work. Would love to see an actual team try it...or get a job in the NFL either way I am flexible

 

[GoBlue]

The Brown's couldn't beat anybody with what they had so why not try some new guys. And like somebody said. They are cheaper. They aren't going to the Super Bowl so the next objective is to make as much money as you can

 

[Ring 6]

That's what I was saying. I view 2000-2001 as a continuum of establishing his program and he won quickly (second year) by bringing in savvy veteran role players.[\quote]
He douched out the franchise year one just as Jackskn is doing. And it was for similar reasons.

This is an established team with continuity and ample playoff experience. Cleveland is not. Big difference.

So keeping 14 rookies is saying you are giving up on the season if you didn't win before but not if you win in the past? That makes no sense.

 

[Ring 6]

I think, therefore I am.

I do feel that he got a bad deal in Oakland. Keep in mind this guy took over a pretty lousy Raiders team and nearly took them to the playoffs in his first year in 2011.

The Raiders then inexplicably went on to fire him after the season. Can it really be said that he's gotten a fair chance in the league as a head coach, or that he did a bad job in the past as a head coach?

Umm he took over an 8-8 team and led them to 8-8.
You didn't say he hasn't gotten a chamce you said he has proven he is a good coach.

 

[Tunescribe]

So keeping 14 rookies is saying you are giving up on the season if you didn't win before but not if you win in the past? That makes no sense.

I guess it wouldn't make sense if you didn't think about my post first before responding.

 

[Nunchucks]

They are starting over with "their guys". Bb did the same thing and won a SB in year 2.
The 2000 team was full of castoffs, rookies and street fre agents surrounding a core that bought in.

Belichick turned the roster over through free agents.

 

[Nunchucks]

For comparison, the Patriots have nine right now. 10 last year after winning the Super Bowl.

Most of those guys were bottom of the roster guys. There is a huge difference between 10 and 14.

 

[Deus Irae]

Complete non-issue

 

[Bill Lee]

For comparison, the Patriots have nine right now. 10 last year after winning the Super Bowl.

Yet ours are getting mixed in with a solid core of more experienced players. The Browns are going to have to start a lot of those 14 guys since they gave up on so many other guys, and won't have a lot of experienced guys around to lead the way or serve as examples. It just seems to me they just blew things up under the premise that whatever they do next has got to be better, but there's absolutely no way of knowing that they are going to be better.

 

[Joey007]

Umm he took over an 8-8 team and led them to 8-8.
You didn't say he hasn't gotten a chamce you said he has proven he is a good coach.

I did? I said I think he is, I suppose depending on the context you could look at it that way. Sure I could be wrong, I'm just going based on how I feel from what I saw from him as a coach that one season. I just liked his demeanor, and how he coached his players. I could definitely be wrong about him, no doubt about that.

But I also don't think you can talk negatively about his track record, either. I don't really see how going 8-8 your first year means you don't appear to be anything special as a head coach. If anything, it's inconclusive.

 

[primetime]

Most of those guys were bottom of the roster guys. There is a huge difference between 10 and 14.

The Browns basically had no one worth keeping. Their roster was full of trash.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I totally disagree with that philosophy. The Patriots draft low, but still try to maintain the best roster they can, affordably. It doesn't matter if drooling idiots were making the picks in the past, you should be able to salvage some players who just weren't used properly, maybe sign some free agent role models and blend in the new draft.

I've never seen "blow it up and start over" to be a viable strategy.

But the Patriots have a philosophy of winning now. When BB first arrived he overhauled the roster the first year or two essentially " blowing it up". . Now there are 15-16 different players every year but look at how many players on the 2001 team were there pre BB. Not many as he had to change the roster and create a culture of winning.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Either the Browns just had the perfect draft (they didn't) or the players these rookies are replacing are so bad, it was the best choice for them to make. This points to a team in serious need of an overhaul. I do not expect them to win a lot of football games this year. So... after JimmyG goes 4-0 can we trade him to the Browns for their 2017 and 2018 1st round picks??

 

[Ring 6]

Belichick turned the roster over through free agents.

Not in 2000

 

[Nunchucks]

Not in 2000

Right, the year they went 5-11

 

[DaBruinz]

Not only did the Browns keep all their draft picks, but they picked up 5 guys off waivers..

That's a helluva roster turnover in one season.

 

[Ring 6]

Right, the year they went 5-11

Kind of the point. Sacrifice 3 wins to create a culture