PostGame Thread OFFICIAL Week 2 Postgame Thread - Patriots Lose 23-20 in OT to Seahawks

[PatsFan2]

Hard to say AVP isn't innovation his offense is from the Shanahan scheme... that's a farce... the OL is the problem and the limitations on the QB..

Flacco still had a better arm
Watson had better arm.. when Drake gets in ppl will see...

Why didn't we go after Flacco in FA Dam it AVP.

 

[Steve102]

I agree in the very short term it might hurt going to maye but the thing with brissett is we are more often than not going to lose these close games. They usually come down to the better qb and making the plays when it matters. Ultimately Geno made the plays, hes the better qb and more often than not the other team will have the better qb.

7-9 may be possible, id say that is the ceiling with brissett but most likely we are a 5-7 win team with him. Unless our defense COMPLETELY dominates when the schedule lightens up after the 49er game, but without improvement in the passing game there will be too much on them imo and they will also have games like today where they will have breakdowns here and there.

Id rather knock a couple games off that 5-7 win expectation with the potential to improve on it with maye than to cap our wr’s the way we are right now.

I Don't think it's a cap our WRs issue. I think they'll find the soft spots of the defense and scheme accordingly, like the previous regime did. One week may be running game, one might be slants and in cuts, one might be verts. Every team has weaknesses. So far, they've done much better than expected at finding them. As I said earlier, the margin for error is slim. They cannot make many, if any, mistakes.

You can't be serious

As a heart attack.

CB's can take a nap with Jacoby not throwing to our WR's because he's limited *Clog the Middle* Game over. Henry won't have another game like yesterday if LB 's and Safeties are teeing off on him.

May not need to. See above.

It's not a mystery anymore Jacoby can't throw outside the number unless there's a defensive breakdown...what you're counting on luck?? Drake Maye have the Arm to challenge all Levels of the Football Field. That's one of the reasons why we moved on from Jones: Jacoby seems even worse.

Brissett is just keeping the seat warm. Let the kid learn and study so he can at least "pass the test". Jacoby is 100% not worse than Mac. Back off the ledge on that. He's not great, but Mac Jones is horrible here. Hor. Rib. Bull.

 

[p8ryts]

How do you explain three passes to WR's in a full game??

AS Robert Weathers said, ANTICIPATION. None noted. I don't know if its pre snap read or what, but there seems to be NO plays where he goes back, plants and throws. It's all, go back, look around and bail. I thought there were a couple instances where a bootleg run by QB was appropriate but not called. This game was like the last three years. The game was theirs and a ridiculous sack followed by a blocked FG. Basics.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

Well.. according to wozzy and some others Marco Wilson was supposed to be this great CB.. I'm still waiting to see it. Austin just needs playing time the kid can play. I love Marcus jones.. but he's undersized..

Through two Marco Wilson looked like the new Myles Bryant. By that I mean he often is the db beat for key plays.

Despite the Pats giving up a lot of passing yards I thought Gonzalez and Marcus had good games. Other than Marco I thought getting killed by the pass had more to do with a lack of pressure than poor coverage.

 

[Real fan 02]

Why didn't we go after Flacco in FA Dam it AVP.

I know brother.. I would have looked at him or minshew.

 

[Real fan 02]

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Through two Marco Wilson looked like the new Myles Bryant. By that I mean he often is the db beat for key plays.

Despite the Pats giving up a lot of passing yards I thought Gonzalez and Marcus had good games.

Love Marcus.. he's just undersized so he gives up plays sometimes but he's good. Gonzo absolutely had a great game.. that broken play wasn't on him.. he passed DK off.. yeah.. Marco wilson I see nothing impressive.

 

[Real fan 02]

I Don't think it's a cap our WRs issue. I think they'll find the soft spots of the defense and scheme accordingly, like the previous regime did. One week may be running game, one might be slants and in cuts, one might be verts. Every team has weaknesses. So far, they've done much better than expected at finding them. As I said earlier, the margin for error is slim. They cannot make many, if any, mistakes.

As a heart attack.

May not need to. See above.


Brissett is just keeping the seat warm. Let the kid learn and study so he can at least "pass the test". Jacoby is 100% not worse than Mac. Back off the ledge on that. He's not great, but Mac Jones is horrible here. Hor. Rib. Bull.

The shoulder injury, now it seems like a knee as he was grabbing it yesterday.. I wonder how long will JB last under this folding chair line?

 

[Thelonious]

Constant monitoring is not required. Stepping in and helping with major game altering decisions is required.

Fair enough. Hopefully he will address it this week. i suspect he will. This is a very inexperienced coaching staff. I wish the Krafts had blended in more experience, but as we are where we are, I think it is too early to make a judgment as to where they might end up.

 

[Thelonious]

The shoulder injury, now it seems like a knee as he was grabbing it yesterday.. I wonder how long will JB last under this folding chair line?

Not long, in all likelihood. The Jets are gonna put a lot of pressure on him.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I Don't think it's a cap our WRs issue. I think they'll find the soft spots of the defense and scheme accordingly, like the previous regime did. One week may be running game, one might be slants and in cuts, one might be verts. Every team has weaknesses. So far, they've done much better than expected at finding them. As I said earlier, the margin for error is slim. They cannot make many, if any, mistakes.

As a heart attack.

May not need to. See above.

I don’t know, alot of the concerns from preseason to me has carried over into the first couple weeks with jacoby. The wr’s aren’t going to be utilized much and the diwnfield game is non existent. Whereas with maye they were getting much more involved and you saw some chunk plays, one to polk and one deep one baker shouldve hauled in. I just feel like itll help alot more long term with Maye being in.

I agree with you that brisett and the offense in general isnt as bad as we thought theyd be and we can maybe buy maye some more time. Looking around the afc especially theres some BAD offenses and teams with similar or worse issues. At least we can run the ball

 

[patsinthesnow]

The pats OL was as bad or worse at points in 2015, 2019, 2021 & 2023. Who led the team in targets? Edelman, Meyers & Douglas. Brissett refuses to get the ball out quick & throw to the middle of the field.

 

[Real fan 02]

Not long, in all likelihood. The Jets are gonna put a lot of pressure on him.

Yes!! With the revolving OL.. stopping quinnen Williams, Quincy Williams, and CJ mosley will be a tough out.

 

[Thelonious]

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Love Marcus.. he's just undersized so he gives up plays sometimes but he's good. Gonzo absolutely had a great game.. that broken play wasn't on him.. he passed DK off.. yeah.. Marco wilson I see nothing impressive.

He was on Njigba (SP??!!) much of the game and got beat pretty consistently. I like Marcus, but he definitely has his limitations. I still wonder too how he might do with more time on offense.

 

[VrabelJr]

I understand what you are seeing. If I don't say that, the responses will be, "Are we watching the same game?".

What I wish we were seeing is a 3 step drop and a quick release from our QB. Don't think I saw one 3 step drop in the whole game.

How about more than 2 passes to the WRs? Douglas can't run a slant for a quick release pass? Douglas has zero catches through two games. Douglas is a bust in year two or is there something wrong with our QB?

We tried one screen pass all game? If the pass rush is so fierce, where are the screen passes?

The OL pass blocking leaves a lot to be desired. Having said that, Brissett is extremely limited with only one approach. Drop back, wait for 3 seconds, dodge pass rushers, and scramble right. Too bad our offensive play book is so limited.

There are lots of ways to help the OL in passing situations, but we can't seem to do any of them. Is it Brissett or AVP?

Both things can be true. The QB play can be bad and the OL can be bad.

 

[Real fan 02]

He was on Njigba (SP??!!) much of the game and got beat pretty consistently. I like Marcus, but he definitely has his limitations. I still wonder too how he might do with more time on offense.

I felt lockett would have been a better match up for Marcus.. gonzo should have switched to Njigba when he was getting hot.

 

[RobertWeathers]

How do you explain three passes to WR's in a full game??

Are you implying it's arm-strength related?

 

[Thelonious]

I felt lockett would have been a better match up for Marcus.. gonzo should have switched to Njigba when he was getting hot.

Yep. Seattle has a really good set of receivers, so it's not surprising they made their share of plays. I still think the db's are a strength.

 

[Wozzy]

Through two Marco Wilson looked like the new Myles Bryant. By that I mean he often is the db beat for key plays.

Despite the Pats giving up a lot of passing yards I thought Gonzalez and Marcus had good games. Other than Marco I thought getting killed by the pass had more to do with a lack of pressure than poor coverage.

Marco Wilson only played 14 snaps, he barely played. The one pass interference play was garbage considering the ball was way out of bounds, that flag never should have been thrown. Outside of the botched zone screw up by Gonzalez and Dugger on the DK Metcalf TD the CB's played well and the Seattle offense and Geno Smith did a good job of grinding and finding the underneath stuff. They used a lot of hurry up and kept our defense off balance.

Bottom line is we can't win because our blocking is not good. They can only pass block on non obvious passing plays, on obvious passing downs like 3rd and long or late in the game when they had to pass because there was only a minute left... they're screwed. The offensive line disappears against pass rush. Pressure off the edges gets through way too quickly and if Jacoby can't step up and make them miss the play is dead. The only way they can win is playing with a lead and running the ball. These next two games should be pretty ugly without some wholesale changes on the offensive line.

 

[Steve102]

The shoulder injury, now it seems like a knee as he was grabbing it yesterday.. I wonder how long will JB last under this folding chair line?

Not long, which is why they have to stay on schedule and away from passing situations. Third and longs and down by 2-3 scores is just going to get Brissett killed.

I don’t know, alot of the concerns from preseason to me has carried over into the first couple weeks with jacoby. The wr’s aren’t going to be utilized much and the diwnfield game is non existent. Whereas with maye they were getting much more involved and you saw some chunk plays, one to polk and one deep one baker shouldve hauled in. I just feel like itll help alot more long term with Maye being in.

I agree with you that brisett and the offense in general isnt as bad as we thought theyd be and we can maybe buy maye some more time. Looking around the afc especially theres some BAD offenses and teams with similar or worse issues. At least we can run the ball

I really believe they will be a scheme type offense as opposed to a "this is what we do" type of offense. The previous regime did a lot right here, and I don't think they'll flush it all away because it ended badly.

 

[PatsFan2]

Are you implying it's arm-strength related?

Yes He has a slow deliberate release plus he locks on to Targets. There is no improvising to his game.