PostGame Thread OFFICIAL POSTGAME THREAD: Patriots lose to Raiders 21-17

[ralmat55]

The fact that Onwenu was active today but didn’t play tells me he’s probably getting traded. And if he’s getting traded, they’re selling, so they’re probably trading a few guys. And if they’re selling, what does that mean for the franchise long term? Does Bill get the best value knowing he may not be here to use the picks? Is Bill even able to decide who gets traded? What if he wants to trade someone like Bourne but Kraft likes Bourne? Lots of questions.

No, it tells you he was hurt and was only active, so the Patriots could dress 48 players rather than 46 which would have been the limit without Onwenu being dressed as the 8th OLinemen.

 

[raduray]

Well, the truth always comes out eventually. BB sucks as a GM, excels as a DC, and is about average as a HC. Don’t expect Kraft to come to the rescue either. He’s a cheapskate and BB does roster construction just the way Krafty Bob likes it and empowers him. Cheaply. Brady covered all the sins of this team for 20 years by taking less and elevating mediocrity. We could have had 8-9 super bowls under TFB if they weren’t so damn cheap. No idea where this train wreck is heading but ownership is 100% complicit in this years “worst team in the NFL”.

Please explain how Kraft is cheap. All teams have to spend to the cap in the aggregate over a five year average. Granted, cash and cap aren't the same in a given year, but over several year average they do line up.

 

[Patsfan1958]

Well, at least now he can write a sequel "From Dynasty to Darkness"

 

[Pats2000]

Mac Jones (Overall):
24/33 (72.7%) 200yds 1 INT

Mac Jones in the second half:
16/19 (84.2%) 103yds

Mac Jones 4th Quarter Stats:
11/13 (84.6%) 69yds

So he averaged 6 yards per attempt...woof

 

[upstater1]

Please explain how Kraft is cheap. All teams have to spend to the cap in the aggregate over a five year average. Granted, cash and cap aren't the same in a given year, but over several year average they do line up.

Yes, and it should be obvious now that unlike other teams, we prize depth.

7 big contributors on D were hurt today and they were replaced by guys who were still decent players, like Uche and Jennings.

 

[upstater1]

Of they have a chance to take a top QB in the draft they should, because hopefully we will not be in position to grab a top one in a very very long time. You take that shot when you are drafting high, whether you have an OL for him or not.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Imagine picking the Patriots +3 and losing on that safety.

 

[Kontradiction]

How do you, as a GM, have a QB on a rookie salary… and you put a team this bad around him? How does that even happen? That’s not to excuse Michael McCorkle Jones, either. The decisions he’s made with the ball over the last 3 weeks have been horrific, but he’s behind what is, without a doubt, the worst OL in the league and he’s throwing to an H-Back, a TE who is past his prime, Parker (who is cooked), and JJSS whose best days are well behind him. The only WR worth keeping is Bourne. Bill hasn’t exactly done him any favors in the talent department.

It’s just mind-boggling that this team can be so short on talent when the guy has had 4 full offseasons to rebuild this team, and he was doing it mostly with a QB on a rookie deal.

 

[Love The Drake]

https://atozsports.com/las-vegas/raiders-adam-butler-says-he-felt-disrespected-by-patriots-bill-belichick/

Wow Adam Butler is
Heated at Belichick.

 

[Run DMC]

Please explain how Kraft is cheap. All teams have to spend to the cap in the aggregate over a five year average. Granted, cash and cap aren't the same in a given year, but over several year average they do line up.

A simple google search:

Google Search

Cash spending is all that matters. Cap is total BS for owners to cheap out.
Can you name 1 highest paid player in the league at any position on the Patriots in the last 20 years? Who gets paid on this team besides Bill who makes $20mill/year? Judon for example? He gets paid 14mill/yr. Contrast that to K Mack for instance who makes 23mill/year. We have no #1 nfl stud receiver and never have. Dumpster diving works when you have Tom Brady. Call it a combination of cheapness and roster mismanagement with various special teams guys getting drastically overpaid and no player making substantial money in any of the positions that truly matter in the NFL-QB, LT, CB, WR, etc.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

Imagine picking the Patriots +3 and losing on that safety.

I had under 41.5 and was SURE he was gonna throw a pick 6 or be strip sacked

 

[ctpatsfan77]

No, it tells you he was hurt and was only active, so the Patriots could dress 48 players rather than 46 which would have been the limit without Onwenu being dressed as the 8th OLinemen.

Not exactly: if you have 8+ OL dressed, you get 48; if you have fewer than 8, you get 47. So not dressing Onwenu wouldn't have cost them another player.

 

[sb1]

“Low-key” lmao. You can’t make this crap up.

Bill once again playing put the square piece in the square hole while the rest of the league is playing checkers…

 

[ctpatsfan77]

A simple google search:

Google Search

Cash spending is all that matters. Cap is total BS for owners to cheap out.
Can you name 1 highest paid player in the league at any position on the Patriots in the last 20 years? Who gets paid on this team besides Bill who makes $20mill/year? Judon for example? He gets paid 14mill/yr. Contrast that to K Mack for instance who makes 23mill/year. We have no #1 nfl stud receiver and never have. Dumpster diving works when you have Tom Brady. Call it a combination of cheapness and roster mismanagement with various special teams guys getting drastically overpaid and no player making substantial money in any of the positions that truly matter in the NFL-QB, LT, CB, WR, etc.

Let me say this, hopefully for the last time:
KRAFT IS NOT CHEAP.
Yes, the salary cap and cash spending aren't the same. But it doesn't change a simple fact: every team gets a certain number of dollars each year to spend. The only way that a team ultimately doesn't end up spending every dollar of that is to refuse to roll over excess cap dollars to the following year. The Patriots aren't doing that. If the Patriots are rolling $10M over every year, that doesn't mean Kraft is pocketing $10M every year. It means they're rolling the same $10M every single year.
If you look at the teams that have the most cash spending over the last three years, here's where they rank in 2024 cap space:
1. Browns: 25th in cap space
2. Bills: 29th
3. Ravens: 22nd
4. Jaguars: 19th
5. Dolphins: 30th
6. Broncos: 28th
7. JEST: 21st
8. Chargers: 31st

I wonder why it is that the teams that have spent the most all rank in the bottom half of free cap space. In fact, every team has to spend a certain amount over specified periods, and has to pay out any shortage to the players who were on that team. [By this measure, BTW, the Patriots are 20th over the last three years, and 1st in cap space.]

If you want to make the argument that they are mis-spending money—spending too much on X, too little on Y—that's fine. But saying they're cheap is just bull.

 

[FCB02062]

How do you, as a GM, have a QB on a rookie salary… and you put a team this bad around him? How does that even happen? That’s not to excuse Michael McCorkle Jones, either. The decisions he’s made with the ball over the last 3 weeks have been horrific, but he’s behind what is, without a doubt, the worst OL in the league and he’s throwing to an H-Back, a TE who is past his prime, Parker (who is cooked), and JJSS whose best days are well behind him. The only WR worth keeping is Bourne. Bill hasn’t exactly done him any favors in the talent department.

It’s just mind-boggling that this team can be so short on talent when the guy has had 4 full offseasons to rebuild this team, and he was doing it mostly with a QB on a rookie deal.

because Bill dedicates an inordinate amount of $ to special teams. not THE reason but one of em

 

[FCB02062]

I remember when people in here were saying the Patriots were still "alive" for the playoffs at 1-2 because other teams were 2-1...so many delusional people who wear blinders.

 

[Toofy]

Last week I said we are a 7 win team max. This week I am down to 5.

I like your optimism...

 

[Toofy]

I believe it is good. I'm kind of a proponent of getting a good pick but then trading down to amass some picks in order to stock up on tackles and receivers. You can still get a good QB in the later 1st, maybe pick up a veteran to steer to start the season.

Kirk cousins is available.

 

[sb1]

fINGeRTiPSZ

 

[TheRainMaker]

Let me say this, hopefully for the last time:
KRAFT IS NOT CHEAP.
Yes, the salary cap and cash spending aren't the same. But it doesn't change a simple fact: every team gets a certain number of dollars to spend. The only way that a team doesn't end up spending every dollar of that is to refuse to roll over excess cap dollars to the following year. The Patriots aren't doing that. If the Patriots are rolling $10M over every year, that doesn't mean Kraft is pocketing $10M every year. It means they're rolling the same $10M every single year.

If you want to make the argument that they are mis-spending money—spending too much on X, too little on Y—that's fine. But saying they're cheap is just bull.

He is cheap. And it started with Curtis Martin who they initially low balled before he became a FA. Martin said he was low balled because Kraft thought he was injury prone and had too much mileage. That guy should’ve never entered FA.

Over the years, the roster has been flooded with mid level FA’s because they rarely pay their own guys top level money. We’ve always heard about the “hometown discount” nonsense. Freaking Seymour had to hold out to get a 2nd contract.