Game Day Thread Official Post Game Thread- Dolphins beat the Pats

[p8ryts]

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Is this a new rule?

Because he reviewed that?

EDIT: I just searched and couldn't find any reference to coaches not being able to challenge turnovers.

If it's already being reviewed what is there to challenge?

 

[Boomer B]

Really? They were still trying to score in the second half. They were only up by 10 points by midway through the 3rd quarter. Hell, even late in the fourth quarter, McDaniel was still having Tua throwing 20-30 yards in their own red zone. Let's not act like it was a 38-7 lead. It was a two score lead going in the fourth. The Dolphins scored 13 points on offense all day and their only TD was a 47 yard TD on a blown coverage on a 4th and seven with seconds left in the half.

It is a false narrative that the Dolphins dominated the game and took their foot off the gas in the second half because they created a sizeable lead.

I never said Miami dominated, but it’s also false to say the score would have been 7-6 if you take away those 2 plays. When you have a 2 score lead the QB is a lot less likely gonna try to force a ball into coverage and may make a safer throw, the play caller may call things differently, ….

The fact is most games come down to a few plays. They made them, we didn’t. We put up 7 pts. Can’t sugarcoat a turd.

 

[Deus Irae]

And which half did the two plays I spoke about happen? And the Dolphins clearly didn't play to just run out the clock in second half. They couldn't do anything on offense in the second half. And the Pats had opportunities to get back into the game in the second half. At one point in the third quarter, they were only down by 10 points and only 13 points by the end of it.

These were two evenly matched teams yesterday where one team had a couple of plays where they took advantage of mistakes.

For crying out loud...

• First drive, Patriots move the ball but get picked.
• Response drive by the Dolphins is to drive the field and score a FG.
• Dolphins then stop the Patriots, but get the ball at their own 6. They dig out of the hole and flip field position, getting the ball past mid-field.
• Then we get the strip sack/TD
• Then we get the big play to Waddle, and it's 17-0 at the half. The game is effectively over at that point (and even the "big play" theory has us now at 3 big plays, not 2).
• Second half starts, Miami has a bad drive, and New England makes them pay by scoring a TD in response.
• Miami then responds with a FG of their own.
• Then, later in the half, with time running out, New England is moving the ball a little bit. Miami forces the Agholor fumble (that would be at least the 4th "Big play").
• Miami then closes out the game with a drive that went from their 37 to inside the Patriots 20, where they then took the kneel downs.

That's not a "2 big plays" game. That's a game where Miami never trailed, Miami won big in the first half, and Miami controlled the game throughout the second half.

 

[Sciz]

Is the rule about calling a Penalty on Review still in place? If so, the league FUBARED the call. It was so blatant it's ridiculous.

It only lasted for the 2019 season, and that play was a good example why. I think it would have stood as a no call upon review because despite being blatant and obvious, it wasn’t as excessive as something like Robey-Coleman in the 2018 Rams/Saints NFC Championship (which led to the new rule). Only 13 of 81 PI challenges were overturned in 2019, and that also includes calls that were changed to no calls upon review.

 

[Rob0729]

This Mac Jones lead Patriots Team haven't shown that they have the ability to come from behind. The stars have to be aligned we should have double dipped @ WR. We have no Speed at the moment or a player that can beat you on one play. Hard to win in Todays NFL with players who are easy to defend or don't scare anybody too many of those players on the current Patriots.

How many opportunities has Jones actually had to come back from a deficit. He did it against the Texans last year. He should have done it the first game against the Dolphins, but Harris fumbled the ball on Miami's 11 yard line with three minutes left in the game. And he should have done it against the Bucs except Folk missed an easy field goal at the end of the game that would have put the Pats' up 20-19 with less than a minute left in the game.

The narrative that Jones cannot bring the team back from behind is another fallacy.

 

[sb1]

And he should have done it against the Bucs except Folk missed an easy field goal at the end of the game that would have put the Pats' up 20-19 with less than a minute left in the game.

I wouldn't call that an easy FG.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

That’s not the way it works though. Miami would have played differently if they weren’t milking a 20-7 lead. Taking time off the clock and more conservative play calling then if the game was close.

I didn’t think McDaniel play calling was very conservative at the end. Tua just sucked. The play just after the 2 minutes warning was a firable offense if you ask me.

 

[PatsFan2]

Really like Jakobi Meyers but we using him like a #1 WR is so wrong in everyway. If a Borderline #3 is your #1 you are going to have problems.

 

[Boomer B]

How many opportunities has Jones actually had to come back from a deficit. He did it against the Texans last year. He should have done it the first game against the Dolphins, but Harris fumbled the ball on Miami's 11 yard line with three minutes left in the game. And he should have done it against the Bucs except Folk missed an easy field goal at the end of the game that would have put the Pats' up 20-19 with less than a minute left in the game.

The narrative that Jones cannot bring the team back from behind is another fallacy.

Easy field goal? Really?? A 56 yd field goal in the driving rain is an easy field goal?

 

[jah]

Really like Jakobi Meyers but we using him like a #1 WR is so wrong in everyway. If a Borderline #3 is your #1 you are going to have problems.

Meyers Derangement Syndrome is very real. He's truly the only player on the roster who gets roasted for being the only one to show up.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

lol love you @PatsFan2 ...He looked good on the first drive until the int in the endzone......had a good throw to Bourne as well. Made some poor decisions, and hopefully, he'll be better as the season goes on.

It was weird how everything changed after the pick. Mac had been comfortable and accurate, line was good, we were gashing them on the ground. Then everything was just different. Reminded me of the jets playoff game in 2010 where we marched right down field, then an errant pass for a pick and the offense completely turtled afterward.

 

[PatsFan2]

How many opportunities has Jones actually had to come back from a deficit. He did it against the Texans last year. He should have done it the first game against the Dolphins, but Harris fumbled the ball on Miami's 11 yard line with three minutes left in the game. And he should have done it against the Bucs except Folk missed an easy field goal at the end of the game that would have put the Pats' up 20-19 with less than a minute left in the game.

The narrative that Jones cannot bring the team back from behind is another fallacy.

Point taken: I hope is arm strength or lack their of is not a fallacy if you can't throw it to the sticks Teams are going load up in the middle and here comes the picks.

 

[203Pat]

Short throws did not have zip needed, long throws were pop ups.

His arm made me nervous yesterday. No zip whatsoever and those lollipop lobs didn't look good.

 

[Rob0729]

For crying out loud...

• First drive, Patriots move the ball but get picked.
• Response drive by the Dolphins is to drive the field and score a FG.
• Dolphins then stop the Patriots, but get the ball at their own 6. They dig out of the hole and flip field position, getting the ball past mid-field.
• Then we get the strip sack/TD
• Then we get the big play to Waddle, and it's 17-0 at the half. The game is effectively over at that point (and even the "big play" theory has us now at 3 big plays, not 2).
• Second half starts, Miami has a bad drive, and New England makes them pay by scoring a TD in response.
• Miami then responds with a FG of their own.
• Then, later in the half, with time running out, New England is moving the ball a little bit. Miami forces the Agholor fumble (that would be at least the 4th "Big play").
• Miami then closes out the game with a drive that went from their 37 to inside the Patriots 20, where they then took the kneel downs.

That's not a "2 big plays" game. That's a game where Miami never trailed, Miami won big in the first half, and Miami controlled the game throughout the second half.

You just like to make things up to fit your narrative don't you? Miami controlled the game in the second half? How? Here are their drives in the second half:

3 and out, punt
8 plays, 50 yards FG
3 and out, Punt
6 plays that netted them 4 yard, punt
10 plays, 52 yards, game ended

If they were playing to protect the lead, they would have ran a conservative offense trying to grind out the clock. Two three and outs and a six play drive that nets 4 yards says the opposite. They were trying to score. They were not playing to protect the lead.

And the Agholor fumble was on a good drive by the Patriots (they picked up 57 yards on 5 plays). That drive could have brought them within six points if they completed the drive. But this goes against, the game was over narrative.

 

[Rob0729]

Easy field goal? Really?? A 56 yd field goal in the driving rain is an easy field goal?

My bad, but it was still a makeable FG. It wasn't impossible to make. Tough, but not impossible.

 

[PatsFan2]

It was weird how everything changed after the pick. Mac had been comfortable and accurate, line was good, we were gashing them on the ground. Then everything was just different. Reminded me of the jets playoff game in 2010 where we marched right down field, then an errant pass for a pick and the offense completely turtled afterward.

Yep it seems like it takes one play and this Teams Offensive will is broken you just don't see any fight after that negative play.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Play-action is a cheat code for NFL offenses. So why aren't they using it more?

The passing boom isn’t slowing down. In Week 1, NFL teams completed 67% of their passes and compiled a passer rating of 100.2 -- both of those numbers, if they persisted over the course of the season, would be new records. The opening-week passing numbers were…

ftw.usatoday.com

The lack of PA is the single most concerning thing to come out of yesterday IMO. That is stone age playcalling & BB has to know the benefits of PA vs. no PA in terms of passing game efficiency.

 

[PatsFan2]

You just like to make things up to fit your narrative don't you? Miami controlled the game in the second half? How? Here are their drives in the second half:

3 and out, punt
8 plays, 50 yards FG
3 and out, Punt
6 plays that netted them 4 yard, punt
10 plays, 52 yards, game ended

If they were playing to protect the lead, they would have ran a conservative offense trying to grind out the clock. Two three and outs and a six play drive that nets 4 yards says the opposite. They were trying to score. They were not playing to protect the lead.

And the Agholor fumble was on a good drive by the Patriots (they picked up 57 yards on 5 plays). That drive could have brought them within six points if they completed the drive. But this goes against, the game was over narrative.

Three tough games coming up and they won't be favored hope they feed off the disrespect.

 

[PatsFan2]

Play-action is a cheat code for NFL offenses. So why aren't they using it more?

The passing boom isn’t slowing down. In Week 1, NFL teams completed 67% of their passes and compiled a passer rating of 100.2 -- both of those numbers, if they persisted over the course of the season, would be new records. The opening-week passing numbers were…

ftw.usatoday.com

The lack of PA is the single most concerning thing to come out of yesterday IMO. That is stone age playcalling & BB has to know the benefits of PA vs. no PA in terms of passing game efficiency.

PS the Giants O looked really good yesterday minus the Judge.

 

[Love The Drake]

PS the Giants O looked really good yesterday minus the Judge.

You need to add the fact Barkey finally looks healthy and just explosive as he once was.