Game Day Thread Official Post Game Thread- Bucs beat the Pats

[Uptown]

Team MVP so far I think, along with Folk.

By a landslide

 

[SVN]

Both are true. Mac did shred a JV secondary. Our secondary played lights outs vs the best scoring offense in the NFL.

But the bucs secondary was helped by our porous oline. Have to take that into consideration . Proper shredding wouldve occured if jones had time.

 

[Uptown]

My dude Barmore was at WORK last night.

 

[amfootball]

But the bucs secondary was helped by our porous oline. Have to take that into consideration . Proper shredding wouldve occured if jones had time.

He was excellent vs the Blitz. He left some plays out there.

 

[ashley]

Some O-line stats from last night's game....courtesy of Lazar:

PASS PROTECTION STATS​

Arguably the biggest reason why the Pats’ offense is failing to hit on big plays is that the pass protection isn’t giving Jones enough time to throw downfield.

The Patriots’ rookie was pressured on a season-high 37.8% of his drop-backs against Tampa Bay, following a 35-plus percent pressure rate trend in New England’s losses this season.

If the Pats can’t keep Jones clean more often, they’re going to keep losing; it’s that simple. For a pocket passer, anything above 35% will make it very difficult to move the football consistently.

New England continues to have major issues at right tackle without starter Trent Brown, as Justin Herron and Yasir Durant were responsible for two sacks and five QB pressures.

 

[sb1]

Trent Brown's post.

Pats have a major problem at RT if he can't get back on the field.

 

[libra957]

On a sour note we use to win these close games a lot when brady was the qb.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

“an impossible field goal” that actually was very possible had it been 4-5 inches further to the right. He had the leg.

I love Nick Folk. The guy is automatic within reasonable FG range. This guy is a pro's pro. I do not see a reason to move from Folk unless his leg falls off, or until that young kicker kicks a FG while being actively hazed.

I agree with the decision to go for FG. Have absolutely zero confidence in the oc who would have tried some ridiculously dumb play on 4th down.

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[DropKickFlutie]

On a sour note we use to win these close games a lot when brady was the qb.

No we didn't. Go look at 2019 after October 2019, ever since Oc'19. The team choked a lot that season and ever since. Brady knew he was leaving and we are stuck with a bad oc now.

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[DropKickFlutie]

Some O-line stats from last night's game....courtesy of Lazar:

PASS PROTECTION STATS​

Arguably the biggest reason why the Pats’ offense is failing to hit on big plays is that the pass protection isn’t giving Jones enough time to throw downfield.

The Patriots’ rookie was pressured on a season-high 37.8% of his drop-backs against Tampa Bay, following a 35-plus percent pressure rate trend in New England’s losses this season.

If the Pats can’t keep Jones clean more often, they’re going to keep losing; it’s that simple. For a pocket passer, anything above 35% will make it very difficult to move the football consistently.

New England continues to have major issues at right tackle without starter Trent Brown, as Justin Herron and Yasir Durant were responsible for two sacks and five QB pressures.

This is exactly spot on.

Don't blame Mac when the OLine sucks. First Mac is blamed for too many short passes questioning his arm strength from construction-guy fake experts. Next he's blamed for going deep while getting whacked without any set throwing feet. No. Mac is a great prospect with crappy OLine pass protection and also now historically-bad run blocking too.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Anybody know what happened to "NewEraMac"? That poster was on a tear posting a ton, but then stopped posting suddenly. Did this person gets banned or put in the "dog house"?

 

[sb1]

Anybody know what happened to "NewEraMac"? That poster was on a tear posting a ton, but then stopped posting suddenly. Did this person gets banned or put in the "dog house"?

Ignored so I wouldn't know either way

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Anybody know what happened to "NewEraMac"? That poster was on a tear posting a ton, but then stopped posting suddenly. Did this person gets banned or put in the "dog house"?

It's super interesting. Someone with that much passion, I always suspected was probably one of the other trolls [insert name]. I did notice that once I called out the username in a sub-topic forum elsewhere, the posts died down considerably. So who knows.

 

[ashley]

By a landslide

A total stud and better than advertised....honorable mention to Folk, JC and Uche, all of whom have been very good. I would also say I have been pleasantly surprised with our two top pics Mac and Barmore.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Trent Brown's post.

Pats have a major problem at RT if he can't get back on the field.

That's nice Trent. Now get back on the field.

 

[Hyped]

Thoughts:

a.) From the coulda, woulda, shoulda dept:

1.) Harris' fumble in week 1.
2.) Jonnu Smith's deflected pass for an INT.
3.) Folk's figgie miss.

Flip those three plays...and this team is likely 3-1...maybe even 4-0....or at worst 2-2.

b.) We have lost 3 home games! We only have 6 remaining.

c.) On the bright side, we have lost two out of conference games and still only have 1 AFC loss which we can avenge in January in warm Southern Florida even with Tua back under center.

d.) Jones is already getting better and better.....

Week 1: 281 passing yards 1-0 TD/INT
Week 2: Only 186 yards, but Zach Wilson was stinking up the joint...no need to do anything more.
Week 3: 270 yards 1-3 TD/INT ratio...but cannot blame the latter 2 INT's (one being Jonnu's fault and the other being down two scores late).
Week 4: 275 yards 2-1 TD/INT ratio...like in week 3...tossed his 2nd INT under pressure by an in-your-face blitzer.

Cam Newton only threw for +269 yards THREE times last year...one @ Seattle, 1 versus the Jets, and another @ Houston. And Cam only had 1 game with more than 1 TD pass....(the season finale vs. the Jets).

e.) Unfortunately, the schedule still has some tough tough match ups left....

Dallas
@ L.A. Chargers
@ Carolina
Cleveland
Titans
@ Buffalo
Buffalo

Must win @Houston, NYJ, @Atlanta, @Indy, Jacksonville, and @Miami and go 4-3 in the above 7 games .

I think a 10-3 finish will do it....11-6......

 

[long distance]

Some O-line stats from last night's game....courtesy of Lazar:

PASS PROTECTION STATS​

Arguably the biggest reason why the Pats’ offense is failing to hit on big plays is that the pass protection isn’t giving Jones enough time to throw downfield.

The Patriots’ rookie was pressured on a season-high 37.8% of his drop-backs against Tampa Bay, following a 35-plus percent pressure rate trend in New England’s losses this season.

If the Pats can’t keep Jones clean more often, they’re going to keep losing; it’s that simple. For a pocket passer, anything above 35% will make it very difficult to move the football consistently.

New England continues to have major issues at right tackle without starter Trent Brown, as Justin Herron and Yasir Durant were responsible for two sacks and five QB pressures.

These stats dont mean much . and are not too bad considering opposite team knows Pats are always passing.

The bigger problem that nobody from the useless beats wants to dive in is the run blocking.
(not talking about TB game where passing on running game was understandable strategy)

It looked like the team (jumbo OL + pricy TEs) was built for efficient running game that takes the burden off either Cam (at that time) or rookie and now they cannot establish even semblance of a running game. Onwenu is the only one holding/making ground, Mason looks lost a bit, Herron looked useless in running game, Wynn is playing through inj again and doesn't look as comfortable as paired with Thuney. Both TEs are underwhelming in blocking re. expectations and Jakub is borderline NFL player anyway.

I really hope Bill has seen enough and makes adequate measures to fix the running game. Mount Brown is probably finally coming back but i hope they address deeper extended O-line issues regardless. Its the only thing keeping them from playoff team atm.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Thoughts:

a.) From the coulda, woulda, shoulda dept:

1.) Harris' fumble in week 1.
2.) Jonnu Smith's deflected pass for an INT.
3.) Folk's figgie miss.

Flip those three plays...and this team is likely 3-1...maybe even 4-0....or at worst 2-2.

b.) We have lost 3 home games! We only have 6 remaining.

c.) On the bright side, we have lost two out of conference games and still only have 1 AFC loss which we can avenge in January in warm Southern Florida even with Tua back under center.

d.) Jones is already getting better and better.....

Week 1: 281 passing yards 1-0 TD/INT
Week 2: Only 186 yards, but Zach Wilson was stinking up the joint...no need to do anything more.
Week 3: 270 yards 1-3 TD/INT ratio...but cannot blame the latter 2 INT's (one being Jonnu's fault and the other being down two scores late).
Week 4: 275 yards 2-1 TD/INT ratio...like in week 3...tossed his 2nd INT under pressure by an in-your-face blitzer.

Cam Newton only threw for +269 yards THREE times last year...one @ Seattle, 1 versus the Jets, and another @ Houston. And Cam only had 1 game with more than 1 TD pass....(the season finale vs. the Jets).

e.) Unfortunately, the schedule still has some tough tough match ups left....

Dallas
@ L.A. Chargers
@ Carolina
Cleveland
Titans
@ Buffalo
Buffalo

Must win @Houston, NYJ, @Atlanta, @Indy, Jacksonville, and @Miami and go 4-3 in the above 7 games .

I think a 10-3 finish will do it....11-6......

No and here's why. I have a long memory and the SAME bullsh-t was touted when the 2005 Pats, 2006 Pats, 2010 Broncos, 2011 Rams were all giving excuses as to why they sucked so bad. When I hear "poor execution" I know it means OC = MORON.

No.

Poor execution is also due to TOTALLY SH-TTY offensive play calling. And the league-worst OLine is also the responsibility of the offensive coordiantor.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Haha, I just read the Gronkaneers thread and they are making excuses as to why the game was so close...everything from refereeing to wet conditions.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Thoughts:

a.) From the coulda, woulda, shoulda dept:

1.) Harris' fumble in week 1.
2.) Jonnu Smith's deflected pass for an INT.
3.) Folk's figgie miss.

Flip those three plays...and this team is likely 3-1...maybe even 4-0....or at worst 2-2.

b.) We have lost 3 home games! We only have 6 remaining.

c.) On the bright side, we have lost two out of conference games and still only have 1 AFC loss which we can avenge in January in warm Southern Florida even with Tua back under center.

d.) Jones is already getting better and better.....

Week 1: 281 passing yards 1-0 TD/INT
Week 2: Only 186 yards, but Zach Wilson was stinking up the joint...no need to do anything more.
Week 3: 270 yards 1-3 TD/INT ratio...but cannot blame the latter 2 INT's (one being Jonnu's fault and the other being down two scores late).
Week 4: 275 yards 2-1 TD/INT ratio...like in week 3...tossed his 2nd INT under pressure by an in-your-face blitzer.

Cam Newton only threw for +269 yards THREE times last year...one @ Seattle, 1 versus the Jets, and another @ Houston. And Cam only had 1 game with more than 1 TD pass....(the season finale vs. the Jets).

e.) Unfortunately, the schedule still has some tough tough match ups left....

Dallas
@ L.A. Chargers
@ Carolina
Cleveland
Titans
@ Buffalo
Buffalo

Must win @Houston, NYJ, @Atlanta, @Indy, Jacksonville, and @Miami and go 4-3 in the above 7 games .

I think a 10-3 finish will do it....11-6......

i think 4-3 is tough with these oponnents...buffalo cleveland and chargers, dallas seem strong right now. But i hope it happens.