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Sorry, my friend, but as the facts are all on the Zappe side, you are stuck with these silly conspiracy theories. Must be stressful. I say let the man who has put down the superior empirical record play the game. That would be Zappe. If you have any facts to the contrary, trot 'em out. If Zappe is as inadequate as you presume your Mac will make a triumphant return, hopefully with a renewed determination to avoid launching random eephus balls headed Lord Knows Where.
So they are designing an offense for Zappe that allows receivers to get open and allows more time in the pocket. By inference, they are depriving Mac of these two things. Two things that are vital to any offense succeeding.
Are we assuming Mac doesn't have open receivers because he gets sacked or takes off and runs? Would it surprise you if the all-22 shows receivers open and Mac just isn't seeing the field? Could it be that the perceived lesser pocket time for Mac is due to his own lack of processing?
It's one of two things: The coaches are sand bagging Mac and saving the good plays for Zappe. Or Mac has been the problem.
I will go back to the lazy, uninformed take that Zappe's TD to Jakobi was a bad throw. A breakdown of the play and basic football knowledge shows that throw to be where it was supposed to be. But Jakobi had to adjust and make a great catch, so it must have been a bad throw.
Mac can't find any open receivers = The receivers aren't getting open? It's the simplistic, easy conclusion. May not be true.
Play action is specifically designed to trick the defense to bite on the run. If the defense does the way it is designed, it will slow the rush because the rushers will slow up to try to stop the run and the coverage may bite on the run and give up coverage on the receiver. By design a play action play is done specifically to give the QB an extra beat in the pocket and the receivers an extra step on the the coverage. So they are depriving Mac of that benefit by running it like 1/4 of the time they have been running it for Zappe.
Mac has missed open receiver this year. Far more than he should. There is no denying that. He has also had to deal with more pressure, tighter coverages, and been asked to throw down the field far more.
And it could be a third thing. Patricia and Judge are giving Jones the offense they want to run even though Jones and talent around him are not prepared to run it. And then they "dumb it down" for Zappe because he is a rookie with limited skills.
From what I've been reading this morning the Bears almost copied the Ravens offensive gameplan with running Fields like they ran Jackson. We weren't able to stop Lamar and we weren't able to stop Fields. Just really bad. I'm almost never at a loss for words, but I don't know what to say here, just really, really bad and they need to improve quickly.
Other than Mac Jones saying repeatedly that the playbook is designed for him to throw 50-50 balls, I am not sure what tells me that they are asking him to do it. They got Parker specifically because his specialty is being one of the better 50-50 ball WRs in the league.
As for Zappe, they have opened up the playbook a bit for him. But the plays are made to protect him and give him more opportunities.
That doesn't exactly suggest that the offense is ?predicated on 50-50 balls. But if it is, I'll go back to the fire Patricia (and whoever else is responsible foe that) stance I had several weeks ago.
Play action is specifically designed to trick the defense to bite on the run. If the defense does the way it is designed, it will slow the rush because the rushers will slow up to try to stop the run and the coverage may bite on the run and give up coverage on the receiver. By design a play action play is done specifically to give the QB an extra beat in the pocket and the receivers an extra step on the the coverage. So they are depriving Mac of that benefit by running it like 1/4 of the time they have been running it for Zappe.
Mac has missed open receiver this year. Far more than he should. There is no denying that. He has also had to deal with more pressure, tighter coverages, and been asked to throw down the field far more.
And it could be a third thing. Patricia and Judge are giving Jones the offense they want to run even though Jones and talent around him are not prepared to run it. And then they "dumb it down" for Zappe because he is a rookie with limited skills.
But what are you basing the tighter coverage on? Because he is having trouble finding the receivers? Unless you are basing this opinion on the all-22 tape, you just don't know this to be true.
Maybe, just maybe, Mac isn't finding the open receivers because his field vision sucks.
Observation: Zappe has been finding more open receivers than Mac. We agree on this.
Your hypothesis: The coaches are saving all of the "open receiver" plays for Zappe.
My hypothesis: Mac is not finding the open receivers.
I know which hypothesis makes more sense logically. But I would hate to present my hypothesis as fact based only on the above observation from watching the telecast of the game only.
Again, sort of like the "bad throw by Zappe to Jakobi" crowd who saw Jakobi adjust to the throw and make a false inference about the throw.
I know that the plays were different between Zappe and Mac. What I am asking you to explain us how the plays for Zappe last night were different than the ones they ran for him in the previous games (your assertion). Because evidently, Zappe's first two drives were good plays and the ones Mac should be running, not previous game Zappe plays, which were dumbed down.
I've responded to your posts a lot because I've felt that you have best represented the "Mac over Zappe" side. But at this point, you're tying yourself into knots trying to explain the higher offensive success with Zappe over Mac.
And I definitely don't care about the Bears' trash talk. They also felt confident about shutting down Mac and they did just that.
The Meyers pass was a broken coverage on a play action pass. I am not sure if that was the route Meyers was supposed to run. Looks like he was supposed to run in route of some sort and lost his coverage and headed down field. The guy who was covering him looks to have totally bitten on the play action and gave up his coverage and ran towards the middle of the field to try to get Stevenson. The Bears player who actually caught up to Meyers was playing close to the line and didn't even run towards Meyers until he saw Zappe winding up to throw it down field.
This is clearly a play that they haven't been calling for Mac very much if at all since they do little play action for him and probably the same type of play they have been calling for Zappe for weeks. Because we do not know for sure what route Meyers was supposed to run (whether it was the route by design or him taking advantage of no one covering him), I cannot say this was anything different than what he has been asked to do from basically day one.
And Bears trash talk thing. At least Perry didn't portray it that way. It could have been an honest assessment by a coach since it was off the record. Besides, everything Perry said the Bears said about defending Zappe actually happened in the second half.
But what are you basing the tighter coverage on? Because he is having trouble finding the receivers? Unless you are basing this opinion on the all-22 tape, you just don't know this to be true.
Maybe, just maybe, Mac isn't finding the open receivers because his field vision sucks.
Observation: Zappe has been finding more open receivers than Mac. We agree on this.
Your hypothesis: The coaches are saving all of the "open receiver" plays for Zappe.
My hypothesis: Mac is not finding the open receivers.
I know which hypothesis makes more sense logically. But I would hate to present my hypothesis as fact based only on the above observation from watching the telecast of the game only.
Again, sort of like the "bad throw by Zappe to Jakobi" crowd who saw Jakobi adjust to the throw and make a false inference about the throw.
Here is the Meyers TD. Meyers was clearly already looking inside when Zappe threw the ball. And Zappe threw it behind him. That is a bad throw by Zappe. Not horrible throw. Just bad placement. I still maintain this was not the designed route and Meyers head to the end zone because he wasn't being covered and he signaled back to Zappe that he was open down the field.
And you can believe whatever you want. I don't really care. Tell me though. When has Jones' receivers been wide open like Meyers on this play.
That doesn't exactly suggest that the offense is ?predicated on 50-50 balls. But if it is, I'll go back to the fire Patricia (and whoever else is responsible foe that) stance I had several weeks ago.
Here is the Meyers TD. Meyers was clearly already looking inside when Zappe threw the ball. And Zappe threw it behind him. That is a bad throw by Zappe. Not horrible throw. Just bad placement. I still maintain this was not the designed route and Meyers head to the end zone because he wasn't being covered and he signaled back to Zappe that he was open down the field.
And you can believe whatever you want. I don't really care. Tell me though. When has Jones' receivers been wide open like Meyers on this play.
Jakobi comes into view, with his head turned to the right, after the ball was being released. This isn't Xbox where Zappe can toggle the whatever button to adjust the ball to Jakobi's head turn. I am on a small tablet right now and can't cut/paste 22 film now, so you can believe me or not. I too don't really care. When I get a chance, I will cut and paste some stills from the 22 for you. The rear view of the play shows Zappe placing the ball directly toward the pylon. He releases the ball as Jakobi turns his head. There was a Safety in the center of the field. It was the right placement on the throw. It's basic football knowledge. Believe me or not. Just burned my arse seeing multiple people run with the bad throw idiocy because it is a simple conclusion.
As for when has Jones had open receivers? I'll have to get back to you on that one too. Again, believe me or don't, Mac is not seeing the field. But I will show you plenty of open receivers.
The crowd booing Mac Jones was an embarrassment. Give the kid a break.
- new offensive coach, Joe Judge, absolutely despised by the Giants team and a failure
- new offensive coach Fat Matt, absolutely despised by the Lions Team and also a failure
and now they’re treating first round investment like this? The coaching the coaching the coaching. This is NOT how you develop.
He's having a bad season so far throwing the ball (57.4 completion percentage, 173 yards per game), even worse running with 15 carries for 43 yards. He has a gimpy knee, they're not going to try turning him into a running threat. And with Hall shelved, the onus has shifted to Punky's arm to generate points. The Patriots know what he does, if they don't bottle him up I'll be surprised.
Jakobi comes into view, with his head turned to the right, after the ball was being released. This isn't Xbox where Zappe can toggle the whatever button to adjust the ball to Jakobi's head turn. I am on a small tablet right now, so you can believe me or not. I too don't really care. When I get a chance, I will cut and paste some stills from the 22 for you. The rear view of the play shows Zappe placing the ball directly toward the pylon. He releases the ball as Jakobi turns his head. There was a Safety in the center of the field. It was the right placement on the throw. It's basic football knowledge. Believe me or not. Just burned my arse seeingmultip!e people run with the bad throw idiocy because it is a simple conclusion.
As for when has Jones had open receivers? I'll have to get back to you on that one too. Again, believe me or don't, Mac is not seeing the field. But I will show you plenty of open receivers.
Umm... If when Meyers comes into view, his head is already turned right. How do you know he did it after Zappe released the ball? Do you have a special off camera view that no one has?
Again, the play is a clear broken coverage. From what I can see, it looks like Meyers took advantage of it and ran down the field and looked back to signal to Zappe. This happens a lot on broken plays. I could be wrong, but there no visual evidence that Meyers looked back only after the ball was thrown. If you see anything differently, it is because it is what you want to see not what you actually see.
I have watched the play several times. Meyers goes off camera and when comes back into camera, his head already turned around. But since his head is already turned around, it is safe to assume he was already turned before the pass was released. In fact, it may be physically impossible for him to have turned his head that fast between when Zappe released the ball and his head is turned since he is almost looking completely backwards.
You are making up evidence to support your point. I guess you could be right, but there is no evidence in the TV broadcast to support your theory.
The crowd booing Mac Jones was an embarrassment. Give the kid a break.
- new offensive coach, Joe Judge, absolutely despised by the Giants team and a failure
- new offensive coach Fat Matt, absolutely despised by the Lions Team and also a failure
and now they’re treating first round investment like this? The coaching the coaching the coaching. This is NOT how you develop.
So they are designing an offense for Zappe that allows receivers to get open and allows more time in the pocket. By inference, they are depriving Mac of these two things. Two things that are vital to any offense succeeding.
Are we assuming Mac doesn't have open receivers because he gets sacked or takes off and runs? Would it surprise you if the all-22 shows receivers open and Mac just isn't seeing the field? Could it be that the perceived lesser pocket time for Mac is due to his own lack of processing?
It's one of two things: The coaches are sand bagging Mac and saving the good plays for Zappe. Or Mac has been the problem.
I will go back to the lazy, uninformed take that Zappe's TD to Jakobi was a bad throw. A breakdown of the play and basic football knowledge shows that throw to be where it was supposed to be. But Jakobi had to adjust and make a great catch, so it must have been a bad throw.
Mac can't find any open receivers = The receivers aren't getting open? It's the simplistic, easy conclusion. May not be true.
The data on things like play action, shotgun, and the like is out there. They were calling the games differently for the QBs. You can read into that as you will, and apply the context/reasoning you think is appropriate, but there's no reason not to acknowledge it.
