Game Day Thread Official Post Game Day Thread- Pats beat the Jets

[p8ryts]

Let's give Lawrence Guy some props. The interior defense was improved against a decent running team. On the Jets TD, did Bledsoe lose the WR or did Bryant not protect the inside? I would like to see Marcus Jones get more time at slot. Peppers not great in coverage but tough in run support. What was the story with Strange? Late in the game. We need Wynn back at tackle unless they think Cajuste can be serviceable.

 

[captain stone]

It's funny that before the season the near universal belief was the AFC West was going to be the best division in football with potentially all four teams making the playoffs and the NFC East was going to be the one of worst with possibly none of the teams having a winning record. NFC East has three teams that are 6-2 or better and even the Commanders are .500. Obviously KC is still one of the best teams in the league and the Chargers have a winning record, but both the Broncos and Raiders have been disasters.

Many of us already knew that the Fecals were going to do very well this season, based on their roster & schedule alone.

 

[venecol]

For those complaining about the offense, the Patriots are #3 in points scored through eight weeks. They are 8th in fewest points allowed.

Huh? Pats are #17 in points scored/gm and #13 in points allowed/gm.

As a comparison, Jets are #18 in points scored and #12 in points allowed. Hardly good company to brag about.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

Pats fan post game threads, where every loss is an embarrassment and every win is treated like a loss.

I don't understand how any of the negative people on these threads after a win even enjoy watching the Pats. A win should always be celebrated. If the Pats win and Mac doesn't play great, it's still a win.

All week people post about how Mac sucks and Zappe should start. Then when Mac doesn't play great they complain about it in the victory post game thread. If Mac plays well you would say oh it's one game and he still sucks. The result is that you are complaining about Mac in every post on every thread, win or loss for the entire season. That doesn't sound fun for anyone, unless you enjoy being miserable.

Here is a list of positives from the game, because threads after wins should be positive (unless being miserable is just your personality)

1. The Patriots defense won the line of scrimmage against the Jets. The Jets invested a ton of assets on that line so it's impressive that the Pats won that battle.
2. The Pats have had trouble against mobile QBs all season but prevented Wilson from using his legs to hurt them.
3. The Pats made a lot less mistakes than the Jets. Teams can win a lot of games by being the squad that makes less mistakes and wins are what matters!
4. NE played complimentary football. The offense dominated time of possession, the special teams converted field goals and made sure the Jets started with bad field position, this helped the defense stay fresh and really dominate the line of scrimmage
5. The Pats defense played really well without their second and third best defenders.
6. Rhamondre looked like one of the best backs in the league.
7. Mac looked better against the Jets than he did against the Bears. For a second year player coming off an injury we should be looking for week to week improvement and Mac was obviously better this week.
8. The Pats still won. Teams play to win games and the Pats won. There are no style points in football a win counts for one win regardless. A lot of people on here seem to think only a decisive win against a winning opponent matters. Except in this case the Pats beat a 5-2 on the road, while dominating the second half. So I guess I will have to amend that to, only wins against super bowl contenders in which the Pats QB dominates matter. I guess that helps me understand why you all are so miserable.

 

[RobertWeathers]

What is an entitled fan issue? I don't see anyone being unhappy about the win; just expressing their concerns over the level of play from our 1st Rd QB in a football forum. Maybe the fan base is a bit entitled over good QB play, I guess.

There is plenty of complaining about how awful/ugly it was. So and so sucked. So and so can't call plays. Wilson threw for 350. Jesus.

Did they play well? For them? Maybe that's who they are. We are not talking about the 2016 Patriots here.

Go back and look how many "ugly" Pats/Jets games there were when Tom was here and it was par for the course.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I bet you they go more aggressive next week vs. the Colts. And Jones will be the same guy. The only differences are that Andrews will likely be back and the Colts' defense isn't as good.

I hope you are wrong.

 

[signbabybrady]

Because Meyers isn't running upfield.

He's not even trying to beat the defender off the line.

I can only guess what this is because the timing looks bad, but I think it's supposed to be RPO with one option being a screen pass to Henry, Meyers blocking.

That's only a guess though because the timing of whatever Henry and Meyers are doing is bad.

That spy has to come off Mac if Meyers is actually running upfield or on a slant. if he doesn't, Mac runs for an easy 1st down.

So is it the timing or the design? Sounds like your just making a baseless guess.

 

[upstater1]

So is it the timing or the design? Sounds like your just making a baseless guess.

How is design not about timing?

You're saying I'm guessing about the design?

I said I'm guessing. So are you. So is everyone. That's why it's a bad design. Because the players are doing nothing functional.

Are you saying the players forgot what they were supposed to be doing?

There is bad execution (not running the right route), and then there's this, which is entirely different.

The only other possibility is that Meyers had no idea what the play was. He's not that kind of player.

 

[p8ryts]

Pats fan post game threads, where every loss is an embarrassment and every win is treated like a loss.

I don't understand how any of the negative people on these threads after a win even enjoy watching the Pats. A win should always be celebrated. If the Pats win and Mac doesn't play great, it's still a win.

All week people post about how Mac sucks and Zappe should start. Then when Mac doesn't play great they complain about it in the victory post game thread. If Mac plays well you would say oh it's one game and he still sucks. The result is that you are complaining about Mac in every post on every thread, win or loss for the entire season. That doesn't sound fun for anyone, unless you enjoy being miserable.

Here is a list of positives from the game, because threads after wins should be positive (unless being miserable is just your personality)

1. The Patriots defense won the line of scrimmage against the Jets. The Jets invested a ton of assets on that line so it's impressive that the Pats won that battle.
2. The Pats have had trouble against mobile QBs all season but prevented Wilson from using his legs to hurt them.
3. The Pats made a lot less mistakes than the Jets. Teams can win a lot of games by being the squad that makes less mistakes and wins are what matters!
4. NE played complimentary football. The offense dominated time of possession, the special teams converted field goals and made sure the Jets started with bad field position, this helped the defense stay fresh and really dominate the line of scrimmage
5. The Pats defense played really well without their second and third best defenders.
6. Rhamondre looked like one of the best backs in the league.
7. Mac looked better against the Jets than he did against the Bears. For a second year player coming off an injury we should be looking for week to week improvement and Mac was obviously better this week.
8. The Pats still won. Teams play to win games and the Pats won. There are no style points in football a win counts for one win regardless. A lot of people on here seem to think only a decisive win against a winning opponent matters. Except in this case the Pats beat a 5-2 on the road, while dominating the second half. So I guess I will have to amend that to, only wins against super bowl contenders in which the Pats QB dominates matter. I guess that helps me understand why you all are so miserable.

Well said. Key fact, Pats won. Each year Pats lose a game they should never lose, and win a game they should never win. Looking forward to the makeup win.

 

[*ChungFu*]

We won $20 on a $2 scratch ticket; a victory with Ferentz at Center. Pocket the winnings and smile.

 

[Bill Lee]

We can all find plays that are just "off", for all kinds of different reasons. QBs think WRs will do one thing, but do another. Play presumes player X will make a block, but he whiffs on it, play gets blown up. Play presumes motion will pull defenders to one side, but they don't fall for it. QB doesn't see wide open receivers. On and on and on. If you want some good examples of this, watch the GOAT QB in his last two games.

 

[signbabybrady]

How is design not about timing?

You're saying I'm guessing about the design?

I said I'm guessing. So are you. So is everyone. That's why it's a bad design. Because the players are doing nothing functional.

Are you saying the players forgot what they were supposed to be doing?

There is bad execution (not running the right route), and then there's this, which is entirely different.

The only other possibility is that Meyers had no idea what the play was. He's not that kind of player.

First off I didn't guess about anything I asked you a few questions. I dont know exactly what went wrong but it certainly looks to have been so poorly executed that I don't know how you can so surely assume bad design. So I asked you to support in which you admitted your guessing that the bad timing was by design.

Second I'm not assuming they forgot what they were doing and I'd rather not guess as to why the timing was so off.

 

[Triumph]

Mac needs to go.

He is a Bust

 

[ashley]

He is a Bust

Let's get back on track and talk about the game before...there is a Mac vs Zappe thread for you to express your opinions, but after reading a few of your posts, I think we all know where you stand.

 

[JMC00]

This is an example of horrible play design.

2 guys were open and he over threw 1 of them. Play design was good. Execution was poor.

 

[jlu52]

Best post of the year. Patience is an extremely underrated virtue.

 

[venecol]

You said it, those are key pieces were are a team that needs all of its players available, still don't understand all the Mac hate, anyone with 20/20 Vision can see that he's asked to do much different things than under McDaniels. As we can see those plays aren't conducive to macs skill set.. it's like he's running some one else's offense.. I hope going forward more plays are called towards macs strengths, his vision, intellect and mobility to step up under pressure..

The O line was disastrous yesterday..

It's pretty clear that it's Mac choice to play out of the gun. That's mainly what he did in college. That's where he feels comfortable. He pushed for more RPOs. You can run PA from the gun. I mean they spent all of TC working on this scheme. The offense is tailored around Mac's strengths & what he feels comfortable with (out of shotgun).

"Yeah, it’s been good,” Jones said at a press conference. “A lot of learning experiences and [there’s] always room for growth. I think it’s been good. I think we’ve ironed out a lot of things and it’s good that they’re happening now. I feel confident in what we’re doing. We just have to go out there and do it for 60 minutes, and that’s just play-by-play. Obviously during practice, same thing, play-by-play, go out there and execute it and once you turn on the game film and you look back and there’s 45, 50 good plays then hopefully you come out on top. But that’s more about executing it and doing your job individually. If we all do that, 11 guys do it close to right every play, then you’ll have a good play.”

On the use of shotgun PA, RPO:

"Other teams were doing them around the league and having good production. Every offense has its core plays, and you don't necessarily want your RPOs to be your core plays, which they are not. But it's always good to have that extra flavor in there. We just have to keep growing from there and learn how to do them."

"I think it puts stress on the defense. I definitely learned in college just watching coach Saban sometimes explode at practice. He's trying to tell someone to do something, but his guy is running a route, but it's also run, or is it a pass? So there is a lot of cool grey area there from an offensive perspective,"

In the first two games of the season, the Patriots have been in a shotgun formation on 64 of their 71 passing plays, which doesn't seem like it's by accident. At Alabama, Jones only attempted 11 passes in his career from under center.

In New England's 17-14 victory over the Steelers last week, the Pats ran five RPO concepts that mostly converted to runs. For example, the Pats moved the chains on a third down play in the third quarter with an RPO handoff to running back Rhamondre Stevenson.

Are RPOs Coming to the Patriots Offense in Mac Jones's Second Season?

This narrative that coaches are holding out UC PA plays is pure nonsense created by Beddard to blast Patricia, who he hates for some reason.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

4. NE played complimentary football. The offense dominated time of possession, the special teams converted field goals and made sure the Jets started with bad field position, this helped the defense stay fresh and really dominate the line of scrimmage

Great post, it is nice to have a balanced perspective added to the mix. Time of possession is a key success factor for this team for a team that relies so much on defense. The defense getting worn down in the second half because they were on the field too much. If the offense is not able to score points, they need to limit the number of 3 and outs to allow the defense to stay fresh.

 

[Rob0729]

BTW, one more piece of evidence that Patricia's play calling is a problem. Yesterday, the Pats' offense moved the ball best on the first drive in the second half where the plays are scripted and the one time that they were in a no huddle offense with Jones calling plays at the line (and the drive stalled when they started to huddle up).

 

[venecol]

Context is important. Not to be a Mac apologist but he's under duress constantly and has no reliable target other than Jakobi Meyers. Who are the other two throwing to again?

Oh yeah, Hurts has a dominant O Line and AJ Brown, Devonta Smith and Dallas Goedert. And as for Tua....

Sure but it doesn't take away from your argument that there aren't any recently drafted QBs playing well. That's the point. You list every average QB but conveniently never mention Tua or Hurst, both of which are also Bama QBs.