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You mean Maroney? How do I know? Haven't seen him play since he fumbled.

Would not be surprised to see Taylor out there next week.

As for the others, NO, they are not starters on offense, but now I realize that this is endless because I need to explain the basics to you.

Wait.... so now only the starters on offense needed to play, and Maroney and Faulk don't count?


You just get better and better to read as you make less and less sense.
 
This from the guy who made the Mensa comment....



:singing:

That's right.

Did you read his comment?

You agreed with his logic that since winning/losing this game was meaningless, each game was meaningless.

I admit that I was totally unable to respond to that with coherence, but I know you admire that fellow's argument deep down.

By the way, I complimented the guy for his brilliance, I didn't mock his profound reasoning.
 
I think alot of us were fine but with the way Brady was used at the end of that game, Im ticked.. Unless he got hurt on that last play... who knows.. But Brady was misused in this game... But it was not the story, Welker inj, and the defense not showing a sign of closing out is depressing...
 
Highly entertaining thread as expected
 
That's right.

Did you read his comment?

You agreed with his logic that since winning/losing this game was meaningless, each game was meaningless.

I admit that I was totally unable to respond to that with coherence, but I know you admire that fellow's argument deep down.

By the way, I complimented the guy for his brilliance, I didn't mock his profound reasoning.

I read his comment. More importantly, I read your response and savored the irony.
 
Wait.... so now only the starters on offense needed to play, and Maroney and Faulk don't count?


You just get better and better to read as you make less and less sense.

You deliberately ignore what I wrote again, eh?

I was talking about Brady and Welker being out there as A UNIT!!!

Geez, is that so hard to understand?

The whole offense out there together???

What is the matter with you?

The defense was losing its key cogs regardless due to injuries. No reason ton play them in this game.

I can't believe you don't see the difference between playing healthy people in a meaningless game and keeping injured players OUT of a meaningless game.
 
I was the first one to point it out, yet I ignored it?


Wow, you're not scraping the bottom of the barrel for your argument. You're lifting the barrel up and hoping for crumbs underneath it.

Yes, indeed, blackglass and Mo told you multiple times that Brady was out there to call plays to Edelman.

You responded with saying their argument was ridiculous and laughable. And you said there was NO REASON for it.

You ignored it.

This is a FACT.
 
You deliberately ignore what I wrote again, eh?

I was talking about Brady and Welker being out there as A UNIT!!!

Geez, is that so hard to understand?

The whole offense out there together???

What is the matter with you?

The defense was losing its key cogs regardless due to injuries. No reason ton play them in this game.

I can't believe you don't see the difference between playing healthy people in a meaningless game and keeping injured players OUT of a meaningless game.

Brady is reportedly injured. No need to play him in this game.

I can't believe you don't see the lack of a difference. I'm using your own arguments to point out the folly of your own arguments.
 
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Yes, indeed, blackglass and Mo told you multiple times that Brady was out there to call plays to Edelman.

You responded with saying their argument was ridiculous and laughable. And you said there was NO REASON for it.

You ignored it.

This is a FACT.

You need to go back and re-read.

Edit: Start with my very first post in the thread:

If it's a meaningless game, Welker didn't belong in the game and Brady should never have been playing in the 4th quarter, because he'd clearly gotten enough work with Edelman in the 3rd quarter.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/309564-official-pats-texans-post-game-thread.html#post1670172
 
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We are a choker. We are not a good road team. There is no hope in the playoff. We are lucky to win the first game at home. After that, it's the end of 09 Pats.

I agree, I have no faith in Brady or the defense.
 
Besides the Welker injury as the main headline of the game, what about another 4th quarter meltdown? How much of losing a lead was resting starters or mailing in the end of the game? Even with the backups, the last drive didn't seem to have a sense or urgency to it.

Hopefully someone else on the team can step up in place of Welker.
 
After the Jaguar dismantling last week I had hope for the playoffs, realizing my hope had more to do with the chaos around the Colts and the poor recent play by the Saints. After our poor play today and the loss of Welker, I'm right back to thinking this Patriots team must have lots of good fortune to make it into the 2nd round and even more good fortune to go beyond it.

The hallmark of the Brady-era teams has been "heart" and "smart play". I saw neither today, especially on the part of the defensive secondary.
 
I agree, I have no faith in Brady or the defense.

It is stupid to put an entire offense on a qb with broken ribs?After he threw that int, he got crushed. They need to change the playcalling and run more.
 
Wow. The thread tags are epic. I added "homers vs. chicken littles" and "the ultimate showdown" myself.

I'd just like to apologize to Mo. You're one of the few posters here whose posts I actually read. I was honestly in a pretty foul mood after the game for a number of reasons, the primary one being my game and my viewpoint that, while I knew the starters on offense would probably remain in the game, that I didn't think they should precisely because an injury like the one Welker suffered (which is now sounding like it will threaten next season). It took a gym trip to really calm me down. I'm not going to back down from my main point. I think you're extremely smitten with everything Belichick does and I have still yet to see you be critical of him in ANY situation. However, I will apologize for the way I said it, which was venomous at the very least. You really didn't deserve that.

As for Welker, sounds like it's both a torn MCL and a torn ACL. Not only will this hurt his chances to start and contribute next season, but it will also hurt his career in the long run. Welker's game relies on his ability to get in and out of cuts the quickest way possible. Recovering from a torn MCL and ACL will severely inhibit that... for the rest of his career. We've seen how hard it is for Brady, a quarterback, to recover from it. It's going to be doubly hard for Welker to recover from it... and all for a meaningless game. One in which it would probably be beneficial to us to get the fourth seed. You can call it 20/20 hindsight, you can call it whatever you want. But this is precisely the reason why teams do not like to play their main guys for long, if at all, in the last regular season game when playoff positioning is all but wrapped up.
 
Not crushed by the loss. If we needed that game we could have won it. Wilfork and Warren didn't play. Several others didn't in the 2nd half. Playcalling is a concern if the offense was trying in the 2nd half. Hopefully they were just trying to get Brady in tune with the Welker-less cast. If they really do call games like that and still stick to the same inept CRAP that lost 4 other games, we're going nowhere.

If we needed that game we could have won it


Are you sure about this statement? This team has a bad habit of choking in the second half this year...don't see that changing going into the playoffs.....
 
If we needed that game we could have won it


Are you sure about this statement? This team has a bad habit of choking in the second half this year...don't see that changing going into the playoffs.....

If it still is a bad habit, today's game isn't very relevant in adding anything to that theory. We laid down in the 4th, alot of the starters weren't even in. It was more of an exhitbition for us with Brady trying to get in tune with the Welker-less supporting cast. In other words, had we held onto win, I wouldn't have felt any different about it.
 
If there are no meaningless games, you need to:

1.) Explain that to upstater1.

2.) Explain the absence of Faulk, Bodden, Wilfork, Warren and Maroney, and the decision to play musical chairs with the offensive line.

3.) Explain Cassel playing against Miami a few years back.


Nitpicking semantics is your gig, not mine. It's one of the reasons you're so popular not just here but at the Planet where at least they've seemingly learned to just ignore you...
Winning or losing a game can be meaningless in context, like when nothing but seeding which may be preordained is at stake, while the way starters execute in any game is never meaningless. Let alone heading into the playoffs facing a road path when you've struggled on the road all season...

Kinda like what transpires in preseason when your trying to determine what you have.

Faulk and Maroney were likely out because Belichick needed to know if Taylor and Morris give him reason to start or rely on them. You know Taylor needed the work and Maroney has performed better than Morris so Bill needed to figure out who his go to guys would be. Wilfork and Warren are injured to the extent they only play must win games, if that. This week wasn't that. Bodden has been the #1 CB all season and he may have needed a rest or Bill may have wanted to give the youngsters one more shot to show him they're ready to step up and fill a role in that secondary if needed. We saw that's a mixed bag, particularly with Butler who shows more talent than Wilhite but still makes rookie mistakes like not turning for the ball...

The offense was expected to carry a transitioning defense this season. Hasn't happened. Looked like they finally made some progress on that front last week, Moss was engaged. I believe (because it makes common sense which is my forte) that Bill wanted to see them build on that. Realize as a unit they have to be engaged every week... Subbing Edleman as the #2 would have changed the makeup of the unit since while he resembles Wes as an effort player he is not in Wes league nor on a par with him in reading coverages and making route adjustments. Don't want Brady practicing with a go to guy whose reads and timing are quite different. That also would have made Aiken the #3 instead of Edleman...

Cassel against Miami was another team, one Brady had played multiple successive seasons with. Still, Brady started the game as did his starting WR's. Inconsistent offensive execution wasn't a nagging season long issue for that team, a decimated defense was. Although Brady played two series in that game throwing a pick to end the first series and a TD to Branch to end the second. Cassel took over on the first series in the second quarter... If I recall Branch went in later to attempt to get to 1000 yards although he failed to. We found out Brady was playing thru nagging injuries that season too. Most starting QB's do or they don't hold the job long. In fact most starting players play thru injuries throughout seasons or they don't start long, either.

But I know I'm wasting keystrokes attempting to explain any of this to you because you determined you were right and Bill is wrong some time ago...when Seymour was traded I believe...
 
BB is a dog faker?

Who woulda thunk it?
 
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