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I'd love to learn more about this as it's counter intuitive to me.

What time period did you examine for this?
How did you define bust?

What approach did you use to evaluate the non-busts and the fact that those players received ~ $1.5mm a year on average for four years (2024) which likely added surplus value to a team.


Thanks
2016 to 2024 based on current starters/contributors. Other analyses I provided from other third parties had it at just under 33% success rate using a different, more lenient judgement of busts.

 
It's just the numbers.. That you fail to actually provide. Uh huh..

Go ahead and post them.. Show us how many 3rd round picks are traded each year for an established Vet.
2020-2025 trades where main comp was 3rd round pick. Some straight third, others included later pick swaps or later picks.
But the 3rd round pick was the main return.


Bradley Roby
Matt Ryan
Rodney Hudson
Devante Parker
Jalen Ramsey
Calvin Ridley
Rasul Douglas
Carlton Davis
Chase Young
Jarius Sneed
Matthew Judon
Marshon Lattimore
Amari Cooper
Darius Slay
Gareon Conley
Emmanuel Sanders
Duke Johnson
Geno Smith
 
Actually I’m hoping my autographed Tyquan Thornton jersey could be at least wearable if he has the same number as well,

I don’t hate it in the fourth.
You have *much* more faith than this old patsfan my friend….
 
Yes. It is throwing away picks to draft MORE players at a position that you have already invested a ton in. You're also GUESSING that the guy you're touting will "strengthen the room" will actually do just that. Especially at position like WR where so many 1st/2nd round picks BUST regularly. It's how the likes of the Lions and Jets were driven into the ground and stayed there for years on end. YOU are clearly content with collecting talent. That's not how to build a team.. Maybe use the Patriots from 2001 - 2017 as a guide instead of the Lions from the same time frame. That is what YOU are advocating. The actual FLAWED thought process.

It's not a matter of ME saying to "wait an allotted amount of time". That's you ignoring what's ACTUALLY said because you have an issue with someone pointing out the FLAWS of your post. Bringing in a VET on a "Prove-It" 1 year deal (aka Low value) is exactly how you push Polk and Baker and find out if they have what it takes. If they have it, they flourish and become an integral part of the team. If they don't, they're gone by camp and you move on with what you have.

YOU and others on this board called out MAYO and AVP being crap
, but then want to use MORE assets on a position without having given the assets you currently have the benefit of better coaching? What sort of message does THAT send? That the NEW Coach/Front Office doesn't care if you were put in a position to fail and failed. That you aren't worth the time/effort for them. You want to see players stop coming to New England? THAT'S the way to do it. The result of that will be having to over-pay for below average or mediocre talent and not actually improving.
I love how you emphasize your point with capitalization. Guessing is what the draft and FA is you are guessing aka projecting a players fit in your system. The Lions and Jets had organizational problems that did not were not based on the strength of their roster.

Yes I like collecting talent because generally the more talented your team is the better they do then the 2nd part of that equation is the coaching they get, the coaching is the key to building a cohesive team, but they need to have talent bro. Weird you don't think so.

2001-2017 Patriots were the best coached team in football and not the most talented, but BB had a tendency to move on from sunken costs relatively quickly. We don't have BB right now, so you may want to update.

As I said we approach it differently and I don't think my approach is flawed much like you don't think you approach is flawed and neither of us will change the other persons mind.

What did I ignore? Was it when you implied that the higher drafted WR get priority so you wait until they are officially a bust. Sure you can bring in players on low value deals (that what I want with Elijah Moore). I am not saying that Polk and Baker are busts because I think they can be valuable pieces. I agree with the part that says if they have it they become an integral part of the team, but why can't that same energy be used on draft picks. I realize its because you have placed a double standard on Vets and rookies.

I was a long time defender of Wolf and Mayo, but once it became obvious that Mayo especially was not improving from a coaching standpoint then yes I called him out. Last years picks would get the benefit of better coaching (not sure where that came from). Last years players need to beat out anyone new that is brought in.

It sends the message of I want the best players on the team. If you brought in new players and cut the old players immediately that does say "you're not worth the time", but that is not what is happening. They are given the chance to compete and win the job.

If you have Polk, Bourne, Baker, Pop, Boutte, Elijah Moore and Higgins or Golden competing for the top 5 or 6. The best 5 or 6 will, in theory increase the strength of that room.

I accept that we view it differently
 
I love how you emphasize your point with capitalization. Guessing is what the draft and FA is you are guessing aka projecting a players fit in your system. The Lions and Jets had organizational problems that did not were not based on the strength of their roster.

Yes I like collecting talent because generally the more talented your team is the better they do then the 2nd part of that equation is the coaching they get, the coaching is the key to building a cohesive team, but they need to have talent bro. Weird you don't think so.

2001-2017 Patriots were the best coached team in football and not the most talented, but BB had a tendency to move on from sunken costs relatively quickly. We don't have BB right now, so you may want to update.

As I said we approach it differently and I don't think my approach is flawed much like you don't think you approach is flawed and neither of us will change the other persons mind.

What did I ignore? Was it when you implied that the higher drafted WR get priority so you wait until they are officially a bust. Sure you can bring in players on low value deals (that what I want with Elijah Moore). I am not saying that Polk and Baker are busts because I think they can be valuable pieces. I agree with the part that says if they have it they become an integral part of the team, but why can't that same energy be used on draft picks. I realize its because you have placed a double standard on Vets and rookies.

I was a long time defender of Wolf and Mayo, but once it became obvious that Mayo especially was not improving from a coaching standpoint then yes I called him out. Last years picks would get the benefit of better coaching (not sure where that came from). Last years players need to beat out anyone new that is brought in.

It sends the message of I want the best players on the team. If you brought in new players and cut the old players immediately that does say "you're not worth the time", but that is not what is happening. They are given the chance to compete and win the job.

If you have Polk, Bourne, Baker, Pop, Boutte, Elijah Moore and Higgins or Golden competing for the top 5 or 6. The best 5 or 6 will, in theory increase the strength of that room.

I accept that we view it differently
The only reason not to bring in a crap load of players to compete for jobs is if you cannot afford to (including if the money is better spent elsewhere )

I would hope that we view the WR room like this, and act accordingly.

Douglass WR3
Boutte compete for WR4, in a miracle situation might become a WR2
Polk. Act as if he doesn’t exist. Give him the opportunity to show he can play, but assume he will be cut.
Baker. One step below Polk.
Bourne. Fall back for whoever doesn’t make it, but on the outside looking in because you made him irrelevant with better acquisitions.


That tells me we need to go get 2 starters.
 
Do do still need to address LT (even for just a year or two).
I think we do. Possibly not Robinson.
You can save some cap space but need some form of stability at LT in case the Rookie gets hurt or slow learning
I do not want to go into the season without 2 legit LT’s
Same with RT. We got Moses but want Ozzy or a RT rookie also
I could agree to a swing OLineman that can play a decent LT in a pinch
Pretty sure I want Campbell
 
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I’m beginning to lean “roll $25MM or so into next year” because it feels like there just are not players available worth what they will cost (I don’t mean slight overpays), at LT or WR.

It isn’t wise to spend for spending’s sake.

Zero interest in Cam Robinson, or really any remaining FA WR.
 
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