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Final review of offensive positions on all-22 this time covering the receivers.
Not a ton to go off with limited attempts. However:
Polk is a gamer, was physical, blocking was excellent, got open multiple times and was not thrown to. I think his separation was only OK overall, but he plays with an attitude, getting in the face of defenders. There were 3 different plays he was open did not get the ball and could see he was a bit miffed, got the attitude you want in that position. Surprised how well he got off the line. He did have possible Offensive pass interference that did not get called in the red zone on the scramble for no gain by Jacoby. DD and him crossed and almost ran into each other, not sure who made the mistake but in doing so Polk picked DD's guy leaving him wide open for a TD if Jacoby had not scrambled left.


Hunter Henry was the next best guy out there; he got off the line as well as Polk, pretty much the 2 guys that showed good ability getting off the line. Henry finds space, he is a good tight end. Austin Hooper was fine, not as good as Henry and not asked to do as much. Both TE's were solid on blocking.

KJ Osborne was better than the putrid pre-season but not sure I see him much more than a 4th receiver in the NFL. His blocking was mediocre at best, Does not seem to show much off the line, was ok in route running, was open a few times but really just MEH overall. Feel like he's just a guy you'd never notice do much of anything.

Tyquan: Not impressed a ton by TT in this game. He has trouble getting off the line if they were physical, he's slow with the "moves" off the line, unlike Polk who is quick and decisive and gets up to speed. Tyquan takes a while to stop and go. His Speed does get him open sometimes, but he's limited to certain plays where he can be successful. With speed his strength not sure he's someone that should play a lot with Brissett who is not a deep thrower. He wasn't a disaster; he was kind of disappointing though after the camp and pre-season buzz.

Douglas: I expected a lot more quickness and sharp cuts from DD, didn't really see that at a high level. Like everyone against the poor pass defense he did get open a bit, especially against zone. He's a respectable slot receiver, willing blocker, not a weak link but not someone you're going to talk about all pro teams or pro bowls.

Bengals defense can't play zone, they were confused multiple times and left guys open for most of the easy completions. they should have stuck to man, only Henry and Polk showed ability to get off the line regularly against man though DD in motion helped him.

Overall, it is a weak group, Hunter Henry could start for many teams. After that I'm not sure any of them would start for half the league with maybe DD as a slot starting for less than half.

Polk was impressive for a debut; wish they'd look to him a bit more.
KJ and TT I now doubt are on the team next year but we will see as the season goes on if they can show more.

If Kendrick Bourne comes back 100% I think he cuts into KJ and TT time. Hopefully Javon Baker gets some shots to see how he looks against starters. Until then, unless they show more, I think it's Henry and Polk and a bit of DD.

I watched Calvin Ridley tpae game 1, he'd be their best receiver. He's not a true top 10 #1 guy but he plays at a different speed than the Pats crop of receivers, of course he has screwed himself statistically with Will Levis, he can count his money and check his ego and stats at the door. Pointless to get a #1 receiver without anyone to throw him the ball. Dude is going to be frustrated all year. He would be wasted with Jacoby also as he's more down the field type but with Maye he would have been a great match. Was hoping he'd show nothing on the tape and can say glad we did not get him, can't say it though. I liked his play in game 1.
 

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Pressure rate is not a great metric to judge pass-blocking, because it depends on other factors like scheme, QB decision making, receiver separation, etc. Better metrics for this purpose are pocket time (PFR) and Time to Throw (NGS). The Pats were in the top 10 for both of those metrics in Week 1.

 
Final review of offensive positions on all-22 this time covering the receivers.
Not a ton to go off with limited attempts. However:
Polk is a gamer, was physical, blocking was excellent, got open multiple times and was not thrown to. I think his separation was only OK overall, but he plays with an attitude, getting in the face of defenders. There were 3 different plays he was open did not get the ball and could see he was a bit miffed, got the attitude you want in that position. Surprised how well he got off the line. He did have possible Offensive pass interference that did not get called in the red zone on the scramble for no gain by Jacoby. DD and him crossed and almost ran into each other, not sure who made the mistake but in doing so Polk picked DD's guy leaving him wide open for a TD if Jacoby had not scrambled left.


Hunter Henry was the next best guy out there; he got off the line as well as Polk, pretty much the 2 guys that showed good ability getting off the line. Henry finds space, he is a good tight end. Austin Hooper was fine, not as good as Henry and not asked to do as much. Both TE's were solid on blocking.

KJ Osborne was better than the putrid pre-season but not sure I see him much more than a 4th receiver in the NFL. His blocking was mediocre at best, Does not seem to show much off the line, was ok in route running, was open a few times but really just MEH overall. Feel like he's just a guy you'd never notice do much of anything.

Tyquan: Not impressed a ton by TT in this game. He has trouble getting off the line if they were physical, he's slow with the "moves" off the line, unlike Polk who is quick and decisive and gets up to speed. Tyquan takes a while to stop and go. His Speed does get him open sometimes, but he's limited to certain plays where he can be successful. With speed his strength not sure he's someone that should play a lot with Brissett who is not a deep thrower. He wasn't a disaster; he was kind of disappointing though after the camp and pre-season buzz.

Douglas: I expected a lot more quickness and sharp cuts from DD, didn't really see that at a high level. Like everyone against the poor pass defense he did get open a bit, especially against zone. He's a respectable slot receiver, willing blocker, not a weak link but not someone you're going to talk about all pro teams or pro bowls.

Bengals defense can't play zone, they were confused multiple times and left guys open for most of the easy completions. they should have stuck to man, only Henry and Polk showed ability to get off the line regularly against man though DD in motion helped him.

Overall, it is a weak group, Hunter Henry could start for many teams. After that I'm not sure any of them would start for half the league with maybe DD as a slot starting for less than half.

Polk was impressive for a debut; wish they'd look to him a bit more.
KJ and TT I now doubt are on the team next year but we will see as the season goes on if they can show more.

If Kendrick Bourne comes back 100% I think he cuts into KJ and TT time. Hopefully Javon Baker gets some shots to see how he looks against starters. Until then, unless they show more, I think it's Henry and Polk and a bit of DD.

I watched Calvin Ridley tpae game 1, he'd be their best receiver. He's not a true top 10 #1 guy but he plays at a different speed than the Pats crop of receivers, of course he has screwed himself statistically with Will Levis, he can count his money and check his ego and stats at the door. Pointless to get a #1 receiver without anyone to throw him the ball. Dude is going to be frustrated all year. He would be wasted with Jacoby also as he's more down the field type but with Maye he would have been a great match. Was hoping he'd show nothing on the tape and can say glad we did not get him, can't say it though. I liked his play in game 1.

If/when Bourne is back to where he was pre-injury, then our best starting WRs will probably be himself & Polk outside and Pop in the Slot… I’l like to see Booty get more action too… And Ozzy really needs to get his **** together; I thought he was a decent signing for the money but I’ve been disappointed throughout his tenure here thus far.
 
Pocket time- Average time the QB had in the pocket between the snap and throwing or the pressure collapses the pocket (2.5)
Pressure %
-times pressured per dropback (34.5%)
Pressure-
Hurries+hits+Sacks (10)
Time to throw-
Average amount of time from snap to throw on every pass so play action is counted (3)

In 2023 the top 2 QBs in pocket time were Fields and R. Wilson and they were 1 & 3 in time to throw. I am not sure what to glean from these stats other than a QB with good pocket mobility and awareness can make the OL look better by increasing the time to throw and pocket time.

I feel like I just waisted time typing this out, but I am struggling to Find a benefit to this info. I am a stat nerd and I find this interesting but I feel it has as much to do with the QB as the OL. For me when it comes to the OL I want to know if they are winning their assignment o6n a given play.

I don't know if this is a stat that anyone tracks, but I would love to know time that each OL keeps their guy out (wording is wrong but I hope you get it) Example: Lowe-2.1, Jordan-2.4, andrews- 2.6, Robinson- 2.6, Big Mike-3. If this info is tracked any where please let me know. I know it is not as simple as I made it sound.

Edit-I looked up Pass block win rate and that is good enough I suppose but the Pats were 43% last year ranked 32
 
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Pocket time- Average time the QB had in the pocket between the snap and throwing or the pressure collapses the pocket (2.5)
Pressure %
-times pressured per dropback (34.5%)
Pressure-
Hurries+hits+Sacks (10)
Time to throw-
Average amount of time from snap to throw on every pass so play action is counted (3)

In 2023 the top 2 QBs in pocket time were Fields and R. Wilson and they were 1 & 3 in time to throw. I am not sure what to glean from these stats other than a QB with good pocket mobility and awareness can make the OL look better by increasing the time to throw and pocket time.

I feel like I just waisted time typing this out, but I am struggling to Find a benefit to this info. I am a stat nerd and I find this interesting but I feel it has as much to do with the QB as the OL. For me when it comes to the OL I want to know if they are winning their assignment o6n a given play.

I don't know if this is a stat that anyone tracks, but I would love to know time that each OL keeps their guy out (wording is wrong but I hope you get it) Example: Lowe-2.1, Jordan-2.4, andrews- 2.6, Robinson- 2.6, Big Mike-3. If this info is tracked any where please let me know. I know it is not as simple as I made it sound.
That proves my point, because the Bears and Broncos both graded highly in pass blocking last year, but they gave up a ton of pressures because their QB's took a lot of time to get the ball out. That was the primary criticism of Fields and Wilson by fans of their teams last year.
 
That is a great point about time to throw, I had been rewatching and focusing on the OL and have not rewatched the defense. I would normally take that into account but have been hyper focused on our OL, so I feel kinda silly for missing something like that. Thank you for the insight.
Looks like the stats updated on FRef:

Brisk:
TtT: 2.5s
Blitz: 5
Sacks: 1
Hurries: 3
Hits: 6
Pressure%: 34.5% (Holy moly...)

Burrow:
TtT: 2.1s
Blitz: 7
Sacks: 3
Hurries: 0
Hits: 0
Pressure%: 8.6%

Your points still stand... Dehhhhfinitely something to keep an eye on...
 
I should have mentioned that I look at a grain of salt as a salt lick for the horses
That's appropriate since Bedard is horseshit.
And even that's an insult to horses
 
13 catches for 116yds total in 4 games.





Also shut down Lamb almost a full quarter.

I wish I would have played the guy who drafted chase with his first pick in ff the week gonzo covered him, what a performance
 
I felt like starting JB was the right call and after watching the rookie QBs in week 1 I am glad the Pats went that route. I have read a few articles about the Maye development plan, It sounds like they are trying to get him ready to play in the next 3-4 weeks. That doesn't mean he will, but I don't think they would be worried if JB sprained an ankle or got the flu.

One of the things I read that gives me the most tingles is that when he is running the scout team they are not telling him what the defense is doing. From what I understand is that the normally tell the scout team QB what the defense is doing to make it harder on the defense. So Drake is getting reps against the Pats 1st team defense, which is probably a top 10 defense.

I think this offense is going to be very good when Maye starts and I am very excited.

I watched the Browns vs Ravens from 2022, it was AVP/JB vs Mike Macdonald defense the Browns lost 23-20 JB had 250 yards no TDs or picks, but was sacked 5 times.
 
This was a wonderful game to watch and re-watch.

Yes, it was a game that the Patriots won pretty easily thanks to some crucial plays going their way. But the fumbles were forced, the Gesicki non-touchdown was because the defender didn't give up, and so on. One of the highlight reel plays was Jon Jones' tackle of Iosivas, but it was just one of many where the defense didn't give up an inch even if the receiver made the catch.

Sure, the limitations were there too. Brissett remains inaccurate. Hooper had to make a great catch simply because the ball was so badly thrown, and we can forget about any passes that require touch or deception of the defenders (sailing the ball way over Thornton going down the sideline was just a waste of a play). But Brissett didn't flinch and his willingness to run and his judgement when to run were crucial to the victory.

I was furious in the pre-season that Okorafor had three penalties for not lining up correctly. The first -- OK, this is a new emphasis by the refs, let's adjust. But the second is inexcusable on the player's part. How difficult is it to check your alignment? And the third? Why is the player even on the field?

So, while I've sympathy for Okorafor as a person, the coaches were 100 per cent right to give him the hook in the first quarter. And that tells me something I didn't see in pre-season: they are prepared to make hard decisions if necessary.

The third quarter looked very much like I'd expected the game to go. Jacoby made bad throws, the Bengals concentrated on stopping the run, Burrow got into enough of a rhythm with Chase to make consistent small plays. But then in the fourth quarter the rush got home again and they re-established control.

Can the defense keep that level of ferocity? Can the offense continue to be so dependent on Rhamondre (the drop-off from Stevenson to Gibson was alarming)? Will the O-line develop, despite injuries?

But so long as the coaching continues intelligent and tough and the players play with that kind of heart, it's going to be a pleasure to root for the Pats, win or lose.
 
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