Official 2022 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Deus Irae]

You are an imbecile. The run game sucked! Discussion over!! Brady was awesome! Look guys the OL was bad and we couldn't run! Brady had nothing to do with the game plan or any of that! Not like he ever made AFC Championships with garbage OLs and bad running games before? Remember 2015? Nothing matters ! Look at these running stats!! Give me a break. Brady has as much say in the offense as Manning ever would and the offense produced less than 20 points a game.

First it was Brady in decline, and now it's Brady failing as the O.C., and being to blame for the run game sucking because he had input on some plays?

You continue to embarrass yourself. Take some time off. It'll do you good.

 

[1960Pats]

What the hell did you expect to be done?


They had no run game.
They had a terrible OL, because the LT-LG-C trio was absolutely inadequate, and the LG was a tire fire when Goedeke was there.
They had only one WR who was healthy and in form for the entire season, and he's a guy who takes time to get open.

The 2022 Bucs are the 2019 Pats with a worse defense.

BTW, seeing all this Brady talk while he's performing well for another team just makes me sad. He never should have worn any other uniform.

And now I hear Tom Curran say that Bill needs to be moved upstairs so he can finish his career with the Pats and that "he deserves it." WTF!?!

 

[1960Pats]

I hope you will all evaluate ALL QBs the same way that you are evaluating Brady. If Manning ran this offense you would all admit he failed. He clearly would of had full control and it's on him. I guess Brady has no control and he just runs the plays as they come in. It's on the OL and everyone else. In 2020 after the bye week the offense was 'Bradys' but when they suck it's 'not'. Not even 20 PPG and they looked like that ALL season.

We agree on everything but the comparison to PEDton Manning. Manning, when he retired at a younger age than Brady, looked far worse than Brady does now. Forget about the obvious character differences for a moment and realize that what separates those two is PEDton's nine one and done playoffs. Really, NINE!

Kraft had a chance to have the GOAT QB wear nothing but a Pats uniform for his entire career but instead chose to ride along with Blunder Bill. You can bet your bippy that Bendover Bob regrets that move now, and will forever, just like the fans.

 

[1960Pats]

So, here we are in the Official Tompa Bay thread, with some recent changes that are now in play:

a) Tampa's 2022 season is over
b) Byron Leftwich and most of the rest of the offensive staff is fired
c) Tom Brady is a free agent

Presuming we want this happy forum to move forward instead of endless bickering about the past, how can events conspire such that Tom Brady is the Tampa QB for the 2023 season?

Clearly Tampa wants to extend Tom and roll forward his cap hit, right?

How do they get Tom to decide to come back?

Does Tom get to pick the new OC?

What kind of offensive philosophy does Tampa want?

I think Tompa Bay is going back to being called Tampa Bay very soon.

Not a prediction but I'd like to see Brady end up on the Titans.

I can think of a lot of teams that could use Tom Brady though, even at his advanced age. In the AFC I'd say NJ, Mia, Pitt, LV, Indy and Houston could also use him.

 

[Bill Lee]

The 2022 Bucs are the 2019 Pats with a worse defense.

Easy come, easy go.

And now I hear Tom Curran say that Bill needs to be moved upstairs so he can finish his career with the Pats and that "he deserves it." WTF!?!

Tom Curran's job is to pull stuff out his azz that triggers people. He got you.

I think Tompa Bay is going back to being called Tampa Bay very soon.

So many people will be saying "remember those three years where I actually cared about Tampa?".

I'm wondering if firing the offensive coaching staff is any sort of incentive to get Brady to come back.

Like you, I think that ship has sailed, but if so, this means they're leaning into having Blowes lead their rebuild?

Oh, I forgot, no one gives a sh!t about Tampa any more.

That fandom was transactional, and the transaction appears to be over.

Gonna be funny to watch a bunch of people turn patsfans.com into a Raiders fan site then insist that they're the real fans.

 

[Guts]

If Manning ran this offense you would all admit he failed. He clearly would of had full control and it's on him. I guess Brady has no control and he just runs the plays as they come in.

@Tottie Although I'm more than willing to agree with your point that TB12 should've played better I disagree with you here. It's been well documented by the local Tampa people and just spoke about recently in the Pat Mcafee Show that TB doesn't call plays he prefers to execute them. He will audible sure but he by and large was letting Byron call the plays. That's why you saw a big difference I'm efficiency when they went no huddle that was Tom calling the plays. Again he should've played better, but the play calling was downright bad.

 

[crawhammer]

Raiders line sucks crowd punching air right now

Raiders o-line looks good enough to me. Whatever weaknesses they have there they have an offseason to address them. Brady's going to look like a warrior in silver and black.

 

[crawhammer]

You are an imbecile. The run game sucked! Discussion over!! Brady was awesome! Look guys the OL was bad and we couldn't run! Brady had nothing to do with the game plan or any of that! Not like he ever made AFC Championships with garbage OLs and bad running games before? Remember 2015? Nothing matters ! Look at these running stats!! Give me a break. Brady has as much say in the offense as Manning ever would and the offense produced less than 20 points a game.

You're creating the flipside argument... Brady sucks! He finally fell of the cliff!! While ignoring all of the rumble around him by the end of the season. Did you watch their games? Look, I got faked out, I kept believing they would turn things around, but it never happened. Injuries were an issue. The o-line wasn't good. The running game was historically bad. Godwin struggled to regain his form. Evans was bad right to the very end (dropped his last target of the season which would have been a TD). Julio looked old. The coaching was bad. Leftwich and especially Bowles, both terrible.

Brady didn't have a great season but he wasn't a main reason why the team was so disappointing. They won 8 games and Brady had game-winning drives in 5 of them. 3 games he won on a score with less than 10 seconds remaining in the game. He did the best he could with what he had.

 

[Nehalem]

The 2016 team is really underrated because Gronk got hurt and it took a miraculous comeback in the SB to win it. But they were a wagon. POSSIBLY the best Pats team of all time. You heard me.

Its not a bad take.

They were 14-2. One loss was to the Bills, playing a 3rd string rookie QB with a broken thumb. The other loss was 31-24 to the Seahawks(the crying about Jamie Collins game), where they got stuffed on the 1 yard line at the end of the game going for the game tying TD.

2 fairly easy playoff wins followed by the 28-3 comeback.

And mostly without Gronk

 

[VectorPrime]

Its not a bad take.

They were 14-2. One loss was to the Bills, playing a 3rd string rookie QB with a broken thumb. The other loss was 31-24 to the Seahawks(the crying about Jamie Collins game), where they got stuffed on the 1 yard line at the end of the game going for the game tying TD.

2 fairly easy playoff wins followed by the 28-3 comeback.

And mostly without Gronk

And that Falcons team absolutely smashed the Packers in the NFCCG.

 

[crawhammer]

Its not a bad take.

They were 14-2. One loss was to the Bills, playing a 3rd string rookie QB with a broken thumb. The other loss was 31-24 to the Seahawks(the crying about Jamie Collins game), where they got stuffed on the 1 yard line at the end of the game going for the game tying TD.

2 fairly easy playoff wins followed by the 28-3 comeback.

And mostly without Gronk

2016 arguably is Brady's second best season of his career. He had a ridiculously low INT% of 0.5 and an NFL record TD/INT ratio of 28/2. A 14-1 record with a Super Bowl title and Super Bowl MVP. He should have won NFL MVP. He should have 5 NFL MVPs: 2007, 2010, 2016, 2017 & 2021.

 

[carmelo15]

I remember I couple games the dline almost had a couple pick 6 on the Godwin screens that everyone saw coming from a mile away after a 1 yard fournette run

 

[TB12TheGoat]

I remember I couple games the dline almost had a couple pick 6 on the Godwin screens that everyone saw coming from a mile away after a 1 yard fournette run

so obvious Leftwich was just a **** OC

but some people trying to put more of the blame on Brady lol

 

[carmelo15]

so obvious Leftwich was just a **** OC

but some people trying to put more of the blame on Brady lol

It’s espn if that idiot leftwhich was white you wouldn’t here anything about it

 

[venecol]

@Tottie Although I'm more than willing to agree with your point that TB12 should've played better I disagree with you here. It's been well documented by the local Tampa people and just spoke about recently in the Pat Mcafee Show that TB doesn't call plays he prefers to execute them. He will audible sure but he by and large was letting Byron call the plays. That's why you saw a big difference I'm efficiency when they went no huddle that was Tom calling the plays. Again he should've played better, but the play calling was downright bad.

More confirmation that Brady wasn't running the offense. I find it incredibly ironic that people believe these things when its convenient to their narratives. As if being an OC didn't demand 80 hour weeks, but the QB is going to be QB/OC. Come on man.

 

[amfootball]

More confirmation that Brady wasn't running the offense. I find it incredibly ironic that people believe these things when its convenient to their narratives. As if being an OC didn't demand 80 hour weeks, but the QB is going to be QB/OC. Come on man.

This all makes sense but I can't imagine Tom would be ok with Bowles back at HC.

 

[crawhammer]

This all makes sense but I can't imagine Tom would be ok with Bowles back at HC.

There really isn't a strong case to be made for Brady returning to Tampa Bay. But Bowles remaining the head coach would be reason #1 for Brady not returning.

 

[XLIX]

Easy come, easy go.


Tom Curran's job is to pull stuff out his azz that triggers people. He got you.


So many people will be saying "remember those three years where I actually cared about Tampa?".

I'm wondering if firing the offensive coaching staff is any sort of incentive to get Brady to come back.

Like you, I think that ship has sailed, but if so, this means they're leaning into having Blowes lead their rebuild?

Oh, I forgot, no one gives a sh!t about Tampa any more.

That fandom was transactional, and the transaction appears to be over.

Gonna be funny to watch a bunch of people turn patsfans.com into a Raiders fan site then insist that they're the real fans.

I am a huge, proud Tom Brady fan based on what he did for the New England Patriots franchise. This clearly triggers you. Too bad.

Your attempts to shame people for following and supporting Tom Brady after he left the Patriots are 100% pathetic.

 

[venecol]

This all makes sense but I can't imagine Tom would be ok with Bowles back at HC.

He played most of his career for a D-minded HC.

I personally think Brady retires but if he doesn't TB makes the most sense for a whole slew of reasons.

 

[venecol]

I am a huge, proud Tom Brady fan based on what he did for the New England Patriots franchise. This clearly triggers you. Too bad.

Your attempts to shame people for following and supporting Tom Brady after he left the Patriots are 100% pathetic.

He comes to this forum to post, then runs over to the main forum to call out people that post on this forum as not rEaL pAtS fAnS.

Dude is a tool.