Official 2022 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[VectorPrime]

Miami has to be done with Tau the concessions are a real concern

At the same time, man is it a bad look to throw him out there to get concussed 3 times and then unceremoniously dump him unless there’s some very clear agreement between team and player that he’s gonna be redshirted next season to give him the maximum amount of time to recover and meanwhile Brady gets to fill in for the year.

 

[Kargetina]

No doubt. Brady winning in Tampa in year one did more for his personal legacy than any other win in his career. It has also been enhanced by Bill going 42-44 in NE without Brady as his QB and missing the playoffs the last 2-3 years and not winning a playoff game at all.

BTW, even though I will always believe it is the players and not the coach most responsible for winning and I have always felt Bill was a great coach, this last season has made me rethink Bill. Hiring Patricia and Judge with his second year QB coming off a promising rookie season is just mind boggling. The coaching this year was atrocious. Bill literally sabotaged any good feeling we had of this team coming to the end of the rebuild and moving into a contender. We went backwards this year big time and if Bill insists on keeping Patricia and Judge we will wallow in futility for the foreseeable future.

That was the Super Bowl against the Eagles for me. Not only Patricia and him made one of the worst QB's to win a SB look like Joe Montana but by not putting Butler in, it showed to me that he would rather lose and stubbornly stick to his decision, rather than admit the blunder and give the team the best chance to win. It completely soured Belichick for me, and the stink never went away. I never bought the ''we're going to do what's best for the team'' mantra again.

 

[VectorPrime]

That was the Super Bowl against the Eagles for me. Not only Patricia and him made one of the worst QB's to win a SB look like Joe Montana but by not putting Butler in, it showed to me that he would rather lose and stubbornly stick to his decision, rather than admit the blunder and give the team the best chance to win. It completely soured Belichick for me, and the stink never went away. I never bought the ''we're going to do what's best for the team'' mantra again.

The thing that too many people forget about the Butler situation is that the defense was already down Hightower and Jonathan Jones to season ending injuries. Benching Butler was absolutely nuts because there was no depth anywhere.

 

[The Brandon Five]

That was the Super Bowl against the Eagles for me. Not only Patricia and him made one of the worst QB's to win a SB look like Joe Montana but by not putting Butler in, it showed to me that he would rather lose and stubbornly stick to his decision, rather than admit the blunder and give the team the best chance to win. It completely soured Belichick for me, and the stink never went away. I never bought the ''we're going to do what's best for the team'' mantra again.

I think that was the beginning of the end for Tom. He puts up 500 yards and gets handed an "L"?

 

[Kargetina]

I think that was the beginning of the end for Tom. He puts up 500 yards and gets handed an "L"?

It was also the last game Danny Amendola played for the Pats, he has been quite vocal about that decision ever since, and it was very close being the last game Gronk played for the Pats. He was considering retirement and Belichick and him never had a good relationship after that.

The offense played a ridiculous game, they scored 33 points and Ghost missed a FG/XP. Without his blunders that would be 37 points and that still wouldn't have been enough to win. Not a single team in Super Bowl history that scored 33 points or more, has lost the game except the 2018 Pats. That says it all about how horrible the gameplan, and the mid-game adjustments were.

 

[Deus Irae]

Media wasn’t allowed to watch the walkthrough (it’s like a bonus practice) so we have nothing to report today. Thursday is the first real practice and we’ll have an injury report from that.

 

[crawhammer]

That was the Super Bowl against the Eagles for me. Not only Patricia and him made one of the worst QB's to win a SB look like Joe Montana but by not putting Butler in, it showed to me that he would rather lose and stubbornly stick to his decision, rather than admit the blunder and give the team the best chance to win. It completely soured Belichick for me, and the stink never went away. I never bought the ''we're going to do what's best for the team'' mantra again.

Honestly this should be the consensus among Patriots fans. I don't get the loyalty to Belichick when he so obviously torpedoed a friggin Super Bowl over a personal vendetta. He dressed Butler and had him standing idle on the sideline except for one useless ST play. Belichick took the game for granted and thought he could win it without Butler. He was going to show up the player. But even as it was blowing up in his face, he refused to budge. An entire season down the toilet just so he could make some unknowable point. Unforgiveable.

 

[VectorPrime]

Bill tried to torpedo the 2018 Super Bowl almost a year ahead of time by trading Gronk to the Lions who by the way had just hired his best buddy Matty P.

 

[venecol]

 

[VectorPrime]

I’m wishcasting the impossible but man this would be undoubtedly the most hilarious and stupid Super Bowl run of Brady’s career. It would be his equivalent to the 2011 Giants. (2011 because they were 9-7 and not anywhere near as good as the 10-6 2007 team). Will the 12-9 record be on the rings?

 

[TBR]

I’m wishcasting the impossible but man this would be undoubtedly the most hilarious and stupid Super Bowl run of Brady’s career. It would be his equivalent to the 2011 Giants. (2011 because they were 9-7 and not anywhere near as good as the 10-6 2007 team). Will the 12-9 record be on the rings?

Giants had the worst rushing offense in the league that year too, just like Tampa this year. Although in 2011, the Giants averaged 24.6 PPG (9th overall) whereas the Bucs are averaging 18 PPG (25th). If they made the Super Bowl, they'd need some incredible luck like the Giants had that year, such as Kelce, Chase or Diggs playing the Super Bowl with a high ankle sprain (like Gronk had in 2011).

 

[VectorPrime]

You can say a lot of things about the 07 and 2011 Giants but the one thing you can’t diminish is the path both of those teams had. They had gauntlets.

 

[venecol]

 

[crawhammer]

You can say a lot of things about the 07 and 2011 Giants but the one thing you can’t diminish is the path both of those teams had. They had gauntlets.

Not to turn this into a NYG love fest but Eli was brilliant in the 2011 postseason. Took down the 15-1 Packers at Lambeau, then the 13-3 49ers in the NFCCG. Eli took a beating from that 49ers defense.

 

[TBR]

Hotter than his current, rumored GF. If I'm Brady, I'm taking my talents to New Orleans.

 

[RicoG]

Donald made 1st team all pro despite missing half the year. Why can't they get these things right? He's not an All Pro this season and I can't wait for AI to just remove all these humans from the equation. Media also in love with Kelce brothers.

It's very much a popularity contest. Thus extremely flawed. Brady got robbed of a prowbowl in 2020 and MVP in 2021.

Almost everyone agrees that Brady passed Manning years ago but the HOF monitor still had Manning as the highest rated QB until last year. Why? Because Manning had outdid Brady in probowls, all pros, and MVPs. Rodgers in third is rediculous.

Player	HOFm	Chmp	AP1	PB	St	From	To	wAV	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Int	Sk	Yds
Tom Brady	262.96	7	3	15	20	2000	2022	184	335	333	7753	12050	89214	649	99	212	565	3576
Peyton Manning	257.80	2	7	14	17	1998	2015	176	266	265	6125	9380	71940	539	86	251	303	1953
Aaron Rodgers	190.07	1	4	10	13	2005	2022	163	230	223	5001	7660	59055	475	93	105	530	3596
Brett Favre	179.96	1	3	11	19	1991	2010	158	302	298	6300	10169	71838	508	99	336	525	3487
Johnny Unitas	160.27	3	5	10	14	1956	1973	113	211	185	2830	5186	40239	290	89	253	307	2383
Joe Montana	154.17	4	3	8	12	1979	1994	125

 

[RicoG]

No doubt. Brady winning in Tampa in year one did more for his personal legacy than any other win in his career. It has also been enhanced by Bill going 42-44 in NE without Brady as his QB and missing the playoffs the last 2-3 years and not winning a playoff game at all.

BTW, even though I will always believe it is the players and not the coach most responsible for winning and I have always felt Bill was a great coach, this last season has made me rethink Bill. Hiring Patricia and Judge with his second year QB coming off a promising rookie season is just mind boggling. The coaching this year was atrocious. Bill literally sabotaged any good feeling we had of this team coming to the end of the rebuild and moving into a contender. We went backwards this year big time and if Bill insists on keeping Patricia and Judge we will wallow in futility for the foreseeable future.

BB has become overconfident. The NE roster needed a rebuild where he tanks not just 2020 but 2021 too to rebuild with high draft picks. Plus he shouldn't have gone on a free agent spending spree so that he could save for a massive cap room for 2022 and later.

Instead BB went for the reload and has built a roster full of mediocre players. The team is built to be mediocre for years to come.

 

[RicoG]

It was also the last game Danny Amendola played for the Pats, he has been quite vocal about that decision ever since, and it was very close being the last game Gronk played for the Pats. He was considering retirement and Belichick and him never had a good relationship after that.

The offense played a ridiculous game, they scored 33 points and Ghost missed a FG/XP. Without his blunders that would be 37 points and that still wouldn't have been enough to win. Not a single team in Super Bowl history that scored 33 points or more, has lost the game except the 2018 Pats. That says it all about how horrible the gameplan, and the mid-game adjustments were.

Danny Amendola had it right but said it the wrong way.

No, Brady was not the Patriot Way. BB is the Patriot Way. But what made the Patriot Way successful was the glue that kept it together and that glue was Tom F Brady. Without Brady, the Patriot Way isn't superior to everyone else.

 

[Guts]

She looks like somebody I would let ruin my life

 

[carmelo15]

She looks like somebody I would let ruin my life

Get in line my man