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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I bet our averages per passing play are day and night when Pop is on the field vs when he isn't. He's their best, it's not close, and when he's missing it really shows.Wide Receivers
Hunter Henry-He's just good, I think I undersold him in previous reviews. What would they do without Henry. He's really the #1 receiver though he's a tight end, he catches everything, runs great routes, finds openings in the zones, knows how to move when Maye scrambles. He's not blessed with blazing speed but he's not slow either for a tight end. Also, a good blocker.
Douglas-Even with the illness he showed he could get open, too bad he was limited. Henry and Douglas are the two that are carrying the team in terms of receivers. The 2 that most regularly get open. Testament to the offense they could move the ball when DD had to be out with the illness.
Boutte-He's the next guy, he has shown good hand sand though he does not separate like Henry or Douglas he does find ways to sneak open, has a knack for finding hole sin zones and has a knack for separating at the right time to catch a ball. Not sure he's at a true #2 due to some lack of separation but he's working his way towards that with continued improvement. At worse he's a solid #3 on a good team.
Hooper-For me continues the meh play. Seems on the wrong page with Maye on the play near the end zone, I truly believe he should have turned in the middle of the zone he was in, running to the pylon did not make sense. He's a number 2 TE, would not want him as the #1 but he's fine enough as #2.
Kendrick Bourne-I thought this was by far the best he looked in the games he has played. Seemed much faster and more burst in this game. Wasn't consistently separating but had moments, thought he should have caught the ball in the red zone from Maye but he's looking like he is rounding into form. Never scouted him in previous years so don't know what that upside is but he showed "something" for the first time this year.
KJ Osborn-I have been down on KJ big time, has shown nothing in any game I watched, until this one. He looked like and NFL receiver for the first time. He had limited snaps but showed more separation and bursts than any game this year.
Not sure of the crappy pass defense made some of these guys look better, probably, but they mostly performed well as a group.
Polk-Wasn't as bad on tape as watching live but still not good. He had 1 drop for sure. The second one down the sideline after watching was just a good play by the safety and well timed. Hard to hold onto that with the speed the safety was coming at. The one over the middle he wanted interference, I couldn't tell on the tape, could not see it definitively but his body right before the catch acted like he was interfered, so not sure if that's on Him or not. He slipped a couple time including 2 pt conversion. It happens, I guess. He's not getting separation regularly but has moments, he was also open for a TD on the KJ TD Pass for example. It's not been good but he's a rookie, let's see if he can catch a few passes and get on a roll and change his direction here. Not giving up on him but would like to see 1 good game. He supposedly works hard and wants to be good, hope something clicks soon.
Going thru my wr notes from the game a lot of "Henry was open" "Boutte was open a bit" and then a sprinkling of "Douglas Open" when he could play. These guys should continue as the top 3. Then can see if the trend of 1 game for Kendrick and KJ continues or not. With Douglas out it was definitely harder for Maye but the other guys stepped up enough to have some success.
You take Henry out there would be a huge drop off. He needs to stay healthy. Next post will be Maye review.
PFF gives you more credit for making a bad decision and throwing a difficult throw into coverage that is incomplete then to properly read the defense and make an easy completion.Holy cow thats incredibly off the mark. PFF sure is sounding more and more like a useless group. Nobody would think Brissett is better than Maye. It's not even close.
Makes sense they. They are morons.PFF gives you more credit for making a bad decision and throwing a difficult throw into coverage that is incomplete then to properly read the defense and make an easy completion.
Bedard's analysis is better for conservative QB play. He has a system and just uses his pretty simple system, QB play is more complicated than his system allows. It's not completely useless but lacks way too much to be really useful.Bedard has Maye's performance 6th or 7th best in the last two years. He has Brissett's week one as grading out better than Maye yesterday.
Let that sink in for a minute on that grading system. Nobody in their right mind would ever come to that conclusion. Nobody.
Thought I heard Onwenu played tackle this week?Sad with all that we've invested in the OG position that it is still pretty much a **** show. I thought I heard Onwenu played terrible this game. Seems like Jacobs is doing his level best.
I assume our run game is suffering from scheme. Its obvious when we're going to run the ball. I only watched the first half but it looked like the jags had 10 guys in the box.
If Pop was healthy, I think the game could have played out a little differently. Probably still an L given how poorly the defense played.
If Trey Smith hits FA, we need to blank check.
Onwenu was at tackle and played well.Sad with all that we've invested in the OG position that it is still pretty much a **** show. I thought I heard Onwenu played terrible this game. Seems like Jacobs is doing his level best.
I assume our run game is suffering from scheme. Its obvious when we're going to run the ball. I only watched the first half but it looked like the jags had 10 guys in the box.
If Pop was healthy, I think the game could have played out a little differently. Probably still an L given how poorly the defense played.
QBR has always been moronic. It's whipped up by ESPN so they can control it and full of horrendously subjective factors decided in secret by their super secret deciders.Drake Maye All-22
Overall, Maye was better in this game than the first one. Of course, the competition was not as fierce.
I'm sure everyone has read the stats:
-Only 2 QB's since the merger have 500+ Pass Yards and 5+ TD Passes: Marino and Maye
-Extrapolating his 2 games over 17 Games equates to 391/595 (66%), 4412 yds, 43 TD's 17 Int.
A Small sample size can skew anything and playing the Jags in one of those games helps. But fun to play with stats!
I kind of separated the last drive, 4 passes, from the rest. Nice garbage time stat padding but meaningless other than he made the right read and threw accurately on mostly easy throws.
I rated 43 other plays, I had 1 bad read, 5 OK reads, and 37 good or correct reads. In those 37 were 5 plays that were first read screens or swing passes.
Bad Read
-I thought his bad read was the second to last drive where they ended up 4th and 26. 3 plays before that he scrambled up the middle for a couple when he had the crosser short and should have hit him. Not a big gain but a better gain. I think a bit of Maye trying to make a bigger play with his feet at that point in the game.
OK Reads
-OK reads: had 2 on second to last drive, the sack I think he should have just thrown it away, on the 4th and 26 made a great throw but Henry was not looking, Boutte on the outside probably a better chance but at 4th and 26 with pressure he threw it to where someone might catch it. Not really a negative play at that point in the game. On the sack he tried to extend the play and being down so much with little time I get it, not sure he does that earlier in the game and there was nowhere to throw so correct reads, just could not escape so in hindsight a throwaway was better.
-Had a 3rd and long where he waited for the longer routes, could have had shot at the crosser but ended up dumping the ball as he tried to extend play. The crosser was going to be tackled and a punt and I kind of hate that short dump on 3rd an long and I get extending the play attempt but in hindsight just dump it to crosser. Agin these are OK reads, you get the thought process, just in hindsight was worng so not bad as result is a punt either way, just OK.
-The throw high to RB on sidelines he also had an open wr if went to 3rd read. RB was the first read and with his arm was open, just a tighter window than the 3rd read if he got there. Again, OK read, could have been better.
-Had a sack in or near RZ, he had a chance to dump to RB who stopped bocking and went out for pass, he thought he could run but lineman looped around. Again, not a big gain missed and if he could have gotten thru for a run was a better play but he just did not see defender looping around who got the sack. Should have dumped to rb.
Off Passes
-Bad throws he had the high one to RB on sideline and then had the Bourne middle play where he had a guy at his feet, Bourne should have caught it IMO. He had DD on a wheel route also maybe a TD but was very late in developing, no time to wait and Bourne was open and the first read so good read, OK throw.
-Threw pass just behind Boutte in middle
-Threw high on out to DD when being blitzed and pressured
-Almost pick to KJ, should have stepped into it and gunned it, tried a touch pass, not the right call. Both Boutte AND Polk fell down on this play, Henry was covered so he was the only guy and he had a small window, bad throw idea.
-Hooper almost pick I put on Hooper, it is a zone Hooper rns to pylon instead of sitting in the zone, Maye had it right, Hooper was wrong IMO.
The Great
-Long pass down middle to Henry on 3rd and long, placed it so Henry could reach back, he throws it too far safety comes into play, just perfect placement, great catch. Maye is one of the best ever in college on 3rd and long, seems to continue that in the pros.
-Follow up that pass with the Boutte pass down the sidelines, just perfect, created the separation for Boutte, Elite throw and good catch.
The Good
-The TD to KY was a great pass, great read but he does that play in his sleep at UNC. To me it was good. It is expected of a top 10 NFL QB which IMO Maye is already that today.
-In 2 games I have 2 Bad reads, there were a few more OK reads in this game but overall, he's very Bardy like in terms of knowing where to throw the ball pre-snap, and then if not knowing where to go next. Brady, Brees and Manning are all-time great at that and he's not at that level as a rookie but he's as good as I've watched playing int he NFL today. He's insanely good at it, I'm actually surprised how good he is even knowing he was good at it at UNC, he wasn't this good. Maybe because the OC was so bad at UNC.
-The throw between defenders to Henry sliding down, thrown before the cut left by Henry was probably a great throw compared to many QB's but I think I just expect that of Maye but not sure most QB's make that throw either.
Maye is a top 10 NFL QB today. Maye was ready to start day 1. If you actually watched him in college then this is no surprise. The narrative that AVP developed Maye and its working is wrong, this is Maye and has always been Maye. Where he has matured is taking the easier passes when they are there.
He will throw more picks as the season goes on and he tries to do too much, and he will try to do too much. Hopefully team can play better and it will limit his need to put on the Super-hero Cape. You'll notice on 3rd and 4th downs he seems to be really good, but also really aggressive. He knows they need the first down and he'll try a more dangerous pass than he has to sometimes. He will learn.
He's doing more with less than almost any other QB. I really almost prefer a #1 WR over a tackle, he is so fast in getting the ball to the open guy if they have a guy getting open quickly the rush won't get there. Once they get BOTH for him, we will be in the playoffs every year as the offense will be potent. Tyreek Hill and Drake Maye would win game by themselves.
He saves the line 5-6 times every game with his quick reads and ability to scramble.
His P2S% was only 11.8% vs Jags. 28.6% vs Texans. This is the 1 area I wanted to see improvement since college. He was just under 20% in college but he also had to extend plays all the time. If he can be sacked less that's a great improvement and a sign of development.
I felt like they could have thrown 4 downs in a row If needed, never trying a punt, and they may have scored every drive (barring TO, Big Sack Loss or bad penalties). Give Him enough chances and he will come thru.
Yup, love me some Drake Maye LOL
FYI: Mahomes has 8 picks and 6 TD's?
The defense is carrying that team? What world are we living in? Travis Kelce falling off, Tyreek Hill leaving, it's all finally catching up to him?
Here is a great stat
Mahomes vs 49ers: 16/27 59.3% 0 TD and 2 INT,5.7 yds per, 1 TD Run a QBR rating of 80.4 with a 44.4 Passer rating,
Josh Allen: 21/33 63.6% 2 TD/ 0 INT 9.8 yds per and a QBR of 66.1 with a 116.1 rating
QBR is apparently dumb! It's defensive adjustment is apparently weighing way too heavily on this stat, ESPN can stop that stat now.
Tape beats stats every time!
It’s more Maye tho improvement on the line a bit, also helps to not play superior outside rushers.How improved have we been in pass off ese. Is it more Maye or have the linemen showed improved progress .
Why is the run offense so bad since game 2. Is it unavailability of rham or is the middle of the line completely stacked?
If jags were stacking the box why weren't we able to burn jags with deeper pass considering their secondary is built with real JAGS.
And is van pelt play calling really predictable that the defense knows which play is run, pass or RPO. Is this predictability impacting the run offense ina. Big way as opposed to personnel ability.
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