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That whole run was astounding. I may actually have it on VHS tapes packed away. If I do it's probably as grainy as that video if it's at all viewable.
Playoff wins against the Jets, Raiders and Miami all on the road. A Matt Millen and Pat Sullivan brawl, multiple TDs scored by our kickoff team. Too bad that it had to end in a SB vs the best defense of all time, but it did.

There was a time when we might have looked at that as the good old days but 15 years later that all changed. The Pats became a dynasty instead.
The Bears were obviously dominant in 1985.

But they were beatable. They had weaknesses which the Patriots were equipped to exploit, but Berry had no clue. Got to give Raymond credit for getting us there though.

...and to Eason for getting himself hurt here vs. the Bills
 
The team had to carry what was in fact a highly inferior mediocre quarterback by running the ball - Craig James gained over 100 yards in all Three games - and winning turnovers something like 15-4.

Berry crashed into his ceiling the morning after. Starting Eason and abandoning the run in his game plan was a total white flag concession, and everybody knew it, we Pats fans could only hope for Tony to break his ankle getting off the team bus at the Superdome or something. Grogan, in addition to managing games and winning, called his own plays. We would have had a huge advantage at quarterback.

First play when Lin Dawson tore up his knee on that crap Superdome turf you could sense the ball was over and the pumpkin had come for our boys.
I always cut Berry some slack for the discombobulated game plan, Dawson's blocking was a big factor in their run game. What I'll never cut him any slack for was starting Champagne Tony. He peed down his leg so bad in the regular season game vs Chicago, hung the Pats D out to dry with 3 or 4 picks, and just went deer in the headlights against their pass rush. IIRC he took at least half a dozen sacks, what I do remember very clearly is all but one of them was his fault. He actually turtled and took a sack with no rush on. It wasn't some 'yeah but the '85 F'n Bears' kinda thing either, that regular season game was the second or third game of the season, they were not at that point what they became as the season went on.

How the hell could Berry let Champagne Tony start that Superbowl? smdh
 
First play when Lin Dawson tore up his knee on that crap Superdome turf you could sense the ball was over and the pumpkin had come for our boys.
I always cut Berry some slack for the discombobulated game plan, Dawson's blocking was a big factor in their run game. What I'll never cut him any slack for was starting Champagne Tony. He peed down his leg so bad in the regular season game vs Chicago, hung the Pats D out to dry with 3 or 4 picks, and just went deer in the headlights against their pass rush. IIRC he took at least half a dozen sacks, what I do remember very clearly is all but one of them was his fault. He actually turtled and took a sack with no rush on. It wasn't some 'yeah but the '85 F'n Bears' kinda thing either, that regular season game was the second or third game of the season, they were not at that point what they became as the season went on.

How the hell could Berry let Champagne Tony start that Superbowl? smdh
I was confident of winning that game right up until I saw Eason's response to Dawson going out. Never saw a QB play so scared. Grogan (who we called Turkeyneck, btw) might have been able to tough out a better showing even with Dawson's loss.
 
In 1986 we were so desperate for some good Pats news, I and many others used to greet the airplane at TF Green airport, in retrospect it is not a big deal, but for many of us it gave us hope that things could be better. I was behind the chain link fence that night with everyone hooting and howling as they walked down the steps.
Also got my first Pats T-shirt, as I fashioned a very cheap looking red one with "Squish the Fish" t-shirt, I wore that until the threads gave out. In those days there was no Pats swag available.
 
Fantastic season...awesome memory
First electric season
From newspapers...not more from here...1985...
These 3 Wins were something incredible
a superbe run

That Bears team was imho the best ever probably

We had zero chances

Still...one of my best Patriot team

huge respect

Forever
 
My oldest brother, who was a freshman at NU at the time, was arrested for jumping on top of a Lincoln in the celebration directly after the game in Boston. He eventually graduated 7 years later.

A friend of mine went to NU in the early '80s under the 6-year Co-op program while studying nuclear engineering... My wife's oldest brother graduated from there in 1980 or'81 and became the food buyer at the Meridian hotel in the financial district for about a decade before becoming one for some big company in Cleveland OH... Had no idea that NU has become more ex-pensive than BC...
 
First play when Lin Dawson tore up his knee on that crap Superdome turf you could sense the ball was over and the pumpkin had come for our boys.
I always cut Berry some slack for the discombobulated game plan, Dawson's blocking was a big factor in their run game. What I'll never cut him any slack for was starting Champagne Tony. He peed down his leg so bad in the regular season game vs Chicago, hung the Pats D out to dry with 3 or 4 picks, and just went deer in the headlights against their pass rush. IIRC he took at least half a dozen sacks, what I do remember very clearly is all but one of them was his fault. He actually turtled and took a sack with no rush on. It wasn't some 'yeah but the '85 F'n Bears' kinda thing either, that regular season game was the second or third game of the season, they were not at that point what they became as the season went on.

How the hell could Berry let Champagne Tony start that Superbowl? smdh

I was confident of winning that game right up until I saw Eason's response to Dawson going out. Never saw a QB play so scared. Grogan (who we called Turkeyneck, btw) might have been able to tough out a better showing even with Dawson's loss.

Don't know if I've received a definitive answer on this one, but: Did Stanley Morgan drop the next pass in the EZ, or was it tipped-away by the CB?
 
Don't know if I've received a definitive answer on this one, but: Did Stanley Morgan drop the next pass in the EZ, or was it tipped-away by the CB?
Yup, he dropped it. But Singletary was a hair away from getting a piece of it.
 
Don't know if I've received a definitive answer on this one, but: Did Stanley Morgan drop the next pass in the EZ, or was it tipped-away by the CB?
That should have been a td
Eason to Morgan
Morgan should have catched it...
Eason pass was on the money
 
I was 12 and that was the day I became a true Pats fan, by my definition. My dad hated Eason and loved Grogan, and passed down that ethos to me.

He also now hates BB but my dad is 75 now so I cut him some slack
 
I was stationed in Anchorage Alaska and watched the game with a buddy who was a huge Dolphins fan who thought the streak was going to last forever.
 
I was 12 and that was the day I became a true Pats fan, by my definition. My dad hated Eason and loved Grogan, and passed down that ethos to me.

Sounds like your Dad was a fine judge of QB's. I'll go out on a limb and guess he had a certain ambivalence toward Berry from then on for giving Champagne Tony the start.

He also now hates BB but my dad is 75 now so I cut him some slack

At 3/4's of a century I'd say he's earned it. Not to mention, he managed to raise a real mensch & true Pats fan.
 
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Sounds like your Dad was a fine judge of QB's. I'll go out on a limb and guess he had a certain ambivalence toward Berry from then on for giving Champagne Tony the start.



At 3/4's of a century I'd say he's earned it. Not to mention, he managed to raise a real mensch & true Pats fan.
Well that’s the nicest message I’ve ever read. Thank you.
 
Well that’s the nicest message I’ve ever read. Thank you.
If you can be judged by your profile pic, then you cannot be a bad guy. Not with that hat. Not a chance.
 
Well that’s not really me, but I would like to get that hat

A bold fashion statement that fedora, expressing not one but two worthy old school loyalties. OFC one is a much, much older school than the other.
 
I was stationed in Anchorage Alaska and watched the game with a buddy who was a huge Dolphins fan who thought the streak was going to last forever.

Went through the airport there over a half-dozen times on my way to/from WestPac, including January & July of '85... Big stuffed polar bear inside the terminal is my only real lasting memory of the place...
 
First play when Lin Dawson tore up his knee on that crap Superdome turf you could sense the ball was over and the pumpkin had come for our boys.
I always cut Berry some slack for the discombobulated game plan, Dawson's blocking was a big factor in their run game. What I'll never cut him any slack for was starting Champagne Tony. He peed down his leg so bad in the regular season game vs Chicago, hung the Pats D out to dry with 3 or 4 picks, and just went deer in the headlights against their pass rush. IIRC he took at least half a dozen sacks, what I do remember very clearly is all but one of them was his fault. He actually turtled and took a sack with no rush on. It wasn't some 'yeah but the '85 F'n Bears' kinda thing either, that regular season game was the second or third game of the season, they were not at that point what they became as the season went on.

How the hell could Berry let Champagne Tony start that Superbowl? smdh
Being a head coach is an overwhelming responsibility. You're responsible for everything. It was Berry's values, commitment and determination which got them there in '85. He set the goal in training camp to go to the Super Bowl.

But he needed a Mo Lewis break, and he got it in the Bills game here. Grogan creaked out there after Eason thankfully, mercifully got himself hurt and I had goosebumps and the entire energy in the stands and for us watching at home shot up drastically. People are beginning to look and see the qualities that make Tom Brady great, like awareness, acumen, getting all his teammates involved, discipline and unselfishness, and Grogan was loaded with them. He called his own plays, committed to the run, made plays when he had to with the game on the line, distributed the ball. Grogan led the win streak and it took the Jets breaking his leg to stop it.

The Bears were an historically dominant team in 1985. Playing in any Super Bowl is not an ordinary environment to begin with, but against a very deservedly favored team requires sacrifice and rising to the occasion. I hoped Raymond would reach back for some of that from his heyday with the Colts.

Alas, Raymond really - really - loved Tony Eason. That the kid was an overpaid first round draft pick made it easier on paper for him to do what he did. And Tom Brady is old, right? He's washed up, right? Even if we did win the turnover battle by 6 we were not winning with Eason.

Finally, Raymond didn't come here to coach our wide receivers until 1978. He wasn't with us in 1976. Anyone with any awareness knows Grogan had at least one Super Bowl ring belonging on his finger, earned by him as the starter. You want to beat an excellent but arrogant, immature, over hyped and beatable opponent loaded with assh*les who will crumble when faced with enough adversity against an opponent who won't back down? You better use every second of those two weeks and get your mind wrapped around football and playing sixty minutes, not goofing around and hoping for the best.

I watched the ESPN preview of the Tyson fight in Tokyo, and the little one minute blurb covering the Douglas camp was enough for me to see that regardless of the hype, I did not want to be Mike Tyson stepping into that ring.

Berry announcing Grogan as the starter would have planted the first seeds of doubt in the Bears' minds. And they would have been right to be scared.
 
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