Note to the Maroney Bashers/Addai Lovers

[Ring 6]

On one of Brady's sacks yesterday Maroney was completely uncovered at the 5 yard mark (would have gone for 15 easy) but Brady sat in the pocket looking downfield for 6-7 seconds.

I have to think that they are purposely ignoring the guy for some schematic reason.

That is by far the stupidest thing I have heard this month.
Maroney was wide open, Brady saw him, and has been instructed not to throw to him.

 

[Oswlek]

That is by far the stupidest thing I have heard this month.
Maroney was wide open, Brady saw him, and has been instructed not to throw to him.

:bricks:

Merry Christmas to you too, jackass.

 

[Deus Irae]

I do agree that Maroney/Addai could be interchangeable. Maroney just hasn't proven it yet. Addai averages 9 yards a reception so I think he is pretty productive in the passing game.

They are not interchangeable. In this New England offense, the pass catching running back role will be filled by Kevin Faulk until BB decides it's time to move on. As I've been saying since the first of the anti-Maroney threads, Maroney is a better runner than Addai. Therefore, Addai would be a step down on this Patriots team.

 

[Ring 6]

I do agree that Maroney/Addai could be interchangeable. Maroney just hasn't proven it yet. Addai averages 9 yards a reception so I think he is pretty productive in the passing game.[/QUOTE

OK. How about that only 15 of those 40 catches produced first down? How about that outside of the long play vs us, his average is only 7 per reception? How bout that he has managed 35 receiving yards or more only twice?
Come on, its blatantly obvious that Addai's usage in the passing game is to be a 2 yard checkdown when everyone else is covered. They do not design passing plays for him. He is an outlet. Any RB would have those numbers (lets say with the exception of the long catch and run vs us) unless he just couldn't catch the ball at all.

 

[strongside]

Kevin Faulk is a better pass receiver and 3rd down back than Addai.

I know this because I watch the games. How do you know this? If you check the stats Addai has better numbers? I think the stats lied to me on this one.

 

[strongside]

OK, so NOW the difference between them is that Addai get 2 or 3 passes dumped off to him?
Kevin Faulk is a better pass receiver and 3rd down back than Addai. If Faulk was on the same team as Addai, Faulk would be getting those catches.
SERIOUSLY, you cannot be telling me that getting dumped off as a checkdown 40 times in 15 games is an indication of the quality of a RB, are you?

I do agree that Maroney/Addai could be interchangeable. Maroney just hasn't proven it yet. Addai averages 9 yards a reception so I think he is pretty productive in the passing game.[/QUOTE

OK. How about that only 15 of those 40 catches produced first down? How about that outside of the long play vs us, his average is only 7 per reception? How bout that he has managed 35 receiving yards or more only twice?
Come on, its blatantly obvious that Addai's usage in the passing game is to be a 2 yard checkdown when everyone else is covered. They do not design passing plays for him. He is an outlet. Any RB would have those numbers (lets say with the exception of the long catch and run vs us) unless he just couldn't catch the ball at all.

Not saying he's roger craig. I just think it still is a prduction, that is 15 first downs that they may not have gotten.

 

[VJCPatriot]

That is the problem with stats, they don't always tell the whole story. I think this is a good example of trusting what you see. To this point there is no question that Addai is a more compleat back capable of carrying the ball 25 times a game for 16 weeks and the playoffs. Maroney has not proven that he can do this yet.

This being said, Maroney has the tools to be as explosive a back as there is in the league. He also is playing his best ball of the season and will be huge in the playoffs. I don't think that its Maroney bashing if you call Addai better at this point.

Well said.
Maroney has been on a hot streak recently, and this is all well and good.
However Addai has proven to be that 25 carry a game back and has back to back 1,000 yard seasons on his resume. He is a proven back.

Maroney has room for improvement.
Let's hope he can continue to run well when he faces decent run defenses.
The Giants #11 ranked rushing defense should be a decent test of his skills.

Maroney was wide open, Brady saw him, and has been instructed not to throw to him.

What?? Brady was instructed not to throw to him? That doesn't make sense. How about Brady doesn't have enough trust in Maroney's hands yet to make that dump off pass, when he wouldn't have hesitated if it was Faulk that was open?

 

[Miguel]

IMO,
1.) Maroney is a good RB.
2.) Addai is a good RB.
3.) Both the Pats and the Colts are happy with their starting RB even if some of their fans are not.

 

[strongside]

Well said.
Maroney has been on a hot streak recently, and this is all well and good.
However Addai has proven to be that 25 carry a game back and has back to back 1,000 yard seasons on his resume. He is a proven back.

Maroney has room for improvement.
Let's hope he can continue to run well when he faces decent run defenses.
The Giants #11 ranked rushing defense should be a decent test of his skills.

Careful, you may be seen as a Maroney basher.

 

[Deus Irae]

Careful, you may be seen as a Maroney basher.

He IS a Maroney basher.

 

[Ring 6]

Not saying he's roger craig. I just think it still is a prduction, that is 15 first downs that they may not have gotten.

No, they are 15 first downs that we checkdown, easy catches. If he were the difference there would be a lot more than 15 out of 40 catches.
Faulk has more first down catches.

 

[Real World]

And I see that Addai has forty catches for 300+ yards and Maroney has 4 for 116. Does that mean that Addai is a better reciever out of the backfield or is it that the Pats don't utilize Maroney in the passing game and if given the chance could put up the same numbers.

It's cuz the Pats havea 3rd down back named Kevin Faulk, whereas Addai plays in all situations in Indy.

 

[Ring 6]

Kevin Faulk is a better pass receiver and 3rd down back than Addai.

I know this because I watch the games. How do you know this? If you check the stats Addai has better numbers? I think the stats lied to me on this one.

Better numbers? ONE MORE CATCH? When he plays 90% of the snaps, and Faulk plays well less than 50%?

 

[strongside]

IMO,
1.) Maroney is a good RB.
2.) Addai is a good RB.
3.) Both the Pats and the Colts are happy with their starting RB even if some of their fans are not.[/QUOTE

That would be to simple. I don't think its a question being happy with one over the other. I am trying to take the teams out of it and compare the 2.

 

[Ring 6]

Well said.
Maroney has been on a hot streak recently, and this is all well and good.
However Addai has proven to be that 25 carry a game back and has back to back 1,000 yard seasons on his resume. He is a proven back.

Maroney has room for improvement.
Let's hope he can continue to run well when he faces decent run defenses.
The Giants #11 ranked rushing defense should be a decent test of his skills.



What?? Brady was instructed not to throw to him? That doesn't make sense. How about Brady doesn't have enough trust in Maroney's hands yet to make that dump off pass, when he wouldn't have hesitated if it was Faulk that was open?

How are you using the Addai is a proven 25 carry a game guy, when it has been proven he IS NOT.

Please comment on the almost half a season now where Addai has average 48 yards a game, less than 3.2 a carry, and his best game was 67 yards.

My comment on not throwing to Maroney was sarcastic, as yours must have been too,because I am sure you are not so ignorant to suggest Brady saw him and chose not to throw to him because he wouldn't catch it, since none of us remember the last time he dropped a pass.

 

[Zeus]

Maroney, with 91 fewer carries than Addai, is rested and healthy for the play-offs. Who would you rather have for January - a fresh, relatively healthy Maroney or a worn-down beat up Addai?

 

[Ring 6]

IMO,
1.) Maroney is a good RB.
2.) Addai is a good RB.
3.) Both the Pats and the Colts are happy with their starting RB even if some of their fans are not.

Best point made yet in this thread.
Remember, however this thread was in response to prior comments that Maroney couldn't hold Addai's jockstrap.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Careful, you may be seen as a Maroney basher.

Seriously, unless you drink ALL the Koolaid on this forum, people see you as a hater. I am merely being a realist.
Maroney is a young player that has recently had some very good performances against the #30 and #32 ranked run defenses. I'd like to see him continue to improve and show something against the Giants who are ranked #11 vs the run.

My comment on not throwing to Maroney was sarcastic, as yours must have been too,because I am sure you are not so ignorant to suggest Brady saw him and chose not to throw to him because he wouldn't catch it, since none of us remember the last time he dropped a pass.

I certainly agree that it is ridiculous to think that BB instructed Tom specifically NOT to throw at Maroney.
However the reason none of us remember the last time he dropped a pass has more to do with when is the last time we even remember Maroney catching a pass??
Maroney's hands are a work in progress. I don't blame Tom for not being comfortable throwing to Maroney yet when he has superior and more proven targets like Faulk, Welker, Moss, Watson, and even Gaffney to throw to.

 

[lapatsfan]

I like Maroney, but don't get too excited about yesterday's stats. Most of us on this message board could have scored on that long TD run with a gaping hole at the LOS and zero defenders downfield.

 

[Oswlek]

My comment on not throwing to Maroney was sarcastic, as yours must have been too,because I am sure you are not so ignorant to suggest Brady saw him and chose not to throw to him because he wouldn't catch it, since none of us remember the last time he dropped a pass.

His comment is not representative of mine at all. When you see a QB slide around in the pocket multiple times while completely ignoring a wide open outlet option, of course there could be a reason for it. Maybe they are minimizing that option until later, maybe they were trying to force it to Moss on that play, whatever.

I personally don't feel that my post deserved your asinine and vitriolic response.