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  1. supafly

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    I think the mental image comes from the fact that it’s literally Tom Brady who comes in early, stays late, and often works with the players after practice. He makes himself available to answer questions about the playbook, even during off time. Both Brady and various receivers over the years have stated such. When a guy like Austin Collie came here, it was Brady. When Antonio Brown came here, it was Brady. When Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney were trying to grasp the offense, it was Tom Brady working with them on timing, placement, route running, etc. Of course he’s a huge part of trying to develop these receivers. Why wouldn’t he be?
     
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    I am not saying he is not part of it. I am saying that his involvement into it gets overblown to the point where some make it sound like he is a teacher when most of the work comes from the positional coaches.

    He is clearly giving his comments and most probably giving pointers when studying film or working on a specific concept during practice.

    But the big picture and most details are coming from the coaching staff. Brady certainly does fine tune it but in the end he also just reads things according to the playbook. If it says that given a certain coverage or leverage the option route has to go to the left that is where he will go.
     
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    what I posted was just tongue and cheek....gordy:rolleyes:
     
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    No he's not, especially for his age...But the other two are indeed slow for their ages, and embarrassingly weak also.
     
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    It’s always “Brady and McDaniels” working with new receivers. It seems like we hear that combo discussed quite a bit. In that regard, he is trying to be a teacher. I don’t question your opinion that it may be overblown a bit, but I can appreciate his frustration just the same.
     
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    Is Joe Judge really restricted from working with new receivers. He is our WR coach, and has been here for 8 years.

     
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    Hope he’s not our WR “scout” too
     
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    There is Judge and numerous other assistants. I dont see how Brady has enough time to work on his own stuff and then sit and talk with every WR about everything.

    He is involved on big picture stuff and during practice and walkthroughs I am sure he is giving his pointers.

    But does anyone actually think he sits with all WRs and goes through routes they ran unless there is a specific point to make ?
     
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    I certainly wouldn’t use the word “restricted,” but I don’t recall too many current or former players pointing to the long hours they put in with the WRs coach as a major part of their success.

    It’s normally Brady and McDaniels spending long hours teaching and trying to work them into the system. Obviously, they report to a positional coach and ultimately Bill Belichick, but Brady and McDaniels are responsible for a good amount of their success. At least that’s what most have always believed.
     
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    So what do you think the WR coach and all the assistant coaches are doing ?
     
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    The example used was Joe Judge, who has been the WRs coach for a grand total of 10 games.

    I don’t understand why anyone would question the idea of McDaniels and Brady as being the main teachers of the offense, and that’s what I stated.
     
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    What makes you believe this is true?
    What evidence of this key role for Brady is there? How do Brady's "training" activities differ from those of other established top-tier QB's?

    Without evidence, the idea that Brady is a special trainer of WR's (and TE's? and RB's?) just sounds like more idolatry.
     
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    I don’t know where the term “special trainer” is coming from, but it’s well known that it’s Tom and Josh who help the receivers get acclimated to what many believe to be a fairly complicated offense.

    I mean, unless you believe that Brady was simply in need of someone to live in his guest house I think it’s safe to say that Tom goes above and beyond. Guys like Austin Collie have pointed to the times when he came early and stayed late, and it’s obviously Brady who knows precisely where he needs his guy to be, how he wants the route run, and what to look for in terms of reading the defense.

    No one has once suggested that Joe Judge isn’t a key piece since he is the position coach, but it’s Brady and McDaniels who are the ones that generally try and get these guys up to speed on the practice field.
     
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    Against Dallas...

    5/40 yds / RLKAG
     
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    Yep. The only team slower that I can think of is PHI.
     
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    I know, but Gallup looks like a rising star, Terry McLaurin too.

    Braxton Berrios is a throwaway draft pick when you could have packaged some picks together and moved up to get a WR who actually produces results and is worth keeping beyond training camp. Lions WR Golliday was a 4th rounder. Beast Mike Thomas was a 2nd round pick in the same round NE took DB Cyrus Jones.
     
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    Retrospective scoring of a draft pick vs opportunity cost is all too easy, but claiming that a trade could have been made takes it to a ridiculous level.

    It's perfectly reasonable to score a draft based on opportunity cost at the time of the pick as well as contribution, but you can't conclude anything about the quality of a team's draft prowess unless you do it for all teams.

    You just can't tell whether BB's drafting is genius or moronic unless you do the homework.
     
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    Nonsense

    BB trades up and down virtually every draft. The Pats have package picks in the past and moved up to get a player that they covet. The evidence is all out there for those who are uniformed.

    I dont care about other NFL teams. Dumb argument. Just because the Chargers have no Super Bowl trophies does not change the fact that they drafted extremely well at skill positions. They dont have a Brady is all. The Pats have drafted poorly at skill positions, but they have the GOAT as perfume.
     
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    Also don't forget Dukie Dawson instead of Trading-up for TE Dallas Goedert its' not like Gronk's possible early retirement was a mystery. The Pats had no back-up plan there they better hope Harry and Meyers pan out Brady cannot play forever.
     
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    Nonesense. If you can't show a comparative analysis, you haven't shown anything at all.
     
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