Content Post N'Keal Harry (lack of) Progress Report

[VJCPatriot]

He still has the rest of his career in front of him. Anyone’s opinion about his career to date really has nothing to do with what he will do going forward. Many players have struggled early in their careers and become excellent players. There is no doubt he has the requisite skill set and the “excuses” of being injured as a rookie and in a 1974 high school offense this year line up as reasons that could cause a player to develop slowly. We can only wait and see.

True a lot of NFL wide receivers don't actually hit their peak until year 3. The problem is that I don't see the p;roblem of Harry's lack of foot speed and separation going away any time soon. He simply doesn't have the physical tools to separate in the NFL. And he doesn't run routes with the precision to artificially create space with 'skill'. So what do you have left, a tall plodding WR who struggles to get open on routes, create separation, or make meaningful impact against cornerbacks and safeties who are men rather than boys and who are just as athletic if not much more so than Harry. N"keal Harry unfortunately is the poster boy for all that is WRONG with Patriots organizational scouting of the WR position.

 

[Ring 6]

True a lot of NFL wide receivers don't actually hit their peak until year 3. The problem is that I don't see the p;roblem of Harry's lack of foot speed and separation going away any time soon. He simply doesn't have the physical tools to separate in the NFL. And he doesn't run routes with the precision to artificially create space with 'skill'. So what do you have left, a tall plodding WR who struggles to get open on routes, create separation, or make meaningful impact against cornerbacks and safeties who are men rather than boys and who are just as athletic if not much more so than Harry. N"keal Harry unfortunately is the poster boy for all that is WRONG with Patriots organizational scouting of the WR position.

I don’t think your assessment is accurate, but we will see.

 

[Jim Beankie]

My guess is Harry is relatively slow compared to other receivers. I saw one report saying the avg receiver gets 3 yards separation, Harry only gets 0.9 yards separation. If the other site you found says Harry gets x, I bet other receivers are getting double that. Where does he rank relative to other avg receiver separation? It definitely doesn't look like even league average, he looks like the slowest receiver in the league.

Next Gen Stats is pretty much the source for virtually all separation stats. When I read your post that I replied to, I immediately thought of the Cardinals game when he got .9 and Byrd/Meyers got around 3, but it was just that game. He had 2 targets and no receptions. One target wasn't even supposed to be for him (Cam INT) where he was being hugged, really. The other was the drop (that isn't officially a drop) that he should have had where he was covered. That being said, if what you saw was different, I'd like to take a look as I'm a sucker for this kind of data.



Don't get me wrong - I don't disagree with your take on his speed and separation abilities. That's why I'm not the biggest fan of the stat as measured.

Sidenote: In the Cardinals game, someone counted the leaping nearly full extension Meyers miss of Cam's misthrow as a drop but Harry's was not - some of these stats are serious BS, or we have Spaceballs analyzing them.

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

I don’t think your assessment is accurate, but we will see.

I’m sure you’re impressed by his 8.8 yards per catch. That’s his career average thus far.

 

[Ring 6]

I’m sure you’re impressed by his 8.8 yards per catch.

Why would I be?

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

Why would I beWhy would I be?

Well by saying he’s not accurate with his statement. Frankly if things stay the same harry will be out of the league pretty soon.

 

[Ring 6]

Well by saying he’s not accurate with his statement. Frankly if things stay the same harry will be out of the league pretty soon.

Saying that I disagree with his assessment means I am happy with Harry’s ypc?
That’s a Grand Canyonesque leap.

 

[Tony2046]

lol

guess u dont like the mirror very much

I aint even going in, u can go jerk yourself. Later, read this

https://www.uzh.ch/cmsssl/suz/dam/jcr:00000000-64a0-5b1c-0000-00003b7ec704/10.05-kahneman-tversky-79.pdf

Do you happen to have a thesis discussing how you or I could be "a number then a stump"?

 

[JayNM]

Do you happen to have a thesis discussing how you or I could be "a number then a stump"?

sounds like you have something very peculiar in mind, so I cant really tell with precision. Sorry

 

[Tony2046]

sounds like you have something very peculiar in mind, so I cant really tell with precision. Sorry

Don't mind me. I was just taking a cheap grammar jab at the post you were replying to.

"Number then a stump"

 

[moosekill]

Don't mind me. I was just taking a cheap grammar jab at the post you were replying to.

"Number then a stump"

As zapzap says, the context is the main way to tell the difference. In spoken English we have another clue; "number", meaning more numb, is pronounced "nummer"; "number", meaning a figure, is pronounced "numBer".

There you go, as they say, if the shoe fits. Do you need me to explain that one to you also?

 

[moosekill]

Brady is equally miserable there (although miserable is the wrong word).

Brady may be miserable there but he is getting paid. Can't fault a man for that.

 

[Tony2046]

As zapzap says, the context is the main way to tell the difference. In spoken English we have another clue; "number", meaning more numb, is pronounced "nummer"; "number", meaning a figure, is pronounced "numBer".

There you go, as they say, if the shoe fits. Do you need me to explain that one to you also?

Yes. Please explain the difference between then and than.

"You are number then a stump"

First you're a number then you become a stump.

I just found it humorous that you used a grammatically incorrect sentence to attack someone's intelligence.

 

[moosekill]

Yes. Please explain the difference between then and than.

"You are number then a stump"

First you're a number then you become a stump.

I just found it humorous that you used a grammatically incorrect sentence to attack someone's intelligence.

Oh yes, I always get those wrong, but I don't really care, if people are that intent on grammar on an internet football forum, I usually find them uninteresting, and usually find they are trying to make up for a lack of either hair, height or penis size. I am sure that isn't the case with you of course.

 

[Tony2046]

Oh yes, I always get those wrong, but I don't really care, if people are that intent on grammar on an internet football forum, I usually find them uninteresting, and usually find they are trying to make up for a lack of either hair, height or penis size. I am sure that isn't the case with you of course.

Wasn't it you speaking of IQ's? Hahaha

First you're the superior intellect of the forum and now you couldn't care less?

You need to lighten up Francis.

 

[203Pat]

Wasn't it you speaking of IQ's? Hahaha

First you're the superior intellect of the forum and now you couldn't care less?

You need to lighten up Francis.

Yes. Please explain the difference between then and than.

"You are number then a stump"

First you're a number then you become a stump.

I just found it humorous that you used a grammatically incorrect sentence to attack someone's intelligence.

Lol that guy is a buffoon.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady may be miserable there but he is getting paid. Can't fault a man for that.

He got paid here too. It’s not like they broke the bank for him.

 

[Kontradiction]

Yes. Please explain the difference between then and than.

"You are number then a stump"

First you're a number then you become a stump.

I just found it humorous that you used a grammatically incorrect sentence to attack someone's intelligence.

But how do we become number first? And is that a number as in the mathematical variety or is it number, as in we start off numb then become number? It’s all so confusing and I fear that I’m not intelligent enough to understand its higher meaning. Either way, this has to prove the existence of a God, doesn’t it? I mean, how do we start as number before becoming stump? Checkmate, atheists.

 

[Tony2046]

But how do we become number first? And is that a number as in the mathematical variety or is it number, as in we start off numb then become number? It’s all so confusing and I fear that I’m not intelligent enough to understand its higher meaning. Either way, this has to prove the existence of a God, doesn’t it? I mean, how do we start as number before becoming stump? Checkmate, atheists.

 

[Steve102]

The team is .500 and is currently, in December, looking up at two teams in the division. We have maybe the second-from-worst starting QB in said division. I’m not sure why you’d expect nothing but glowing praise. That we’re even .500 is a minor miracle.

I would like to talk about this (N'keal) a bit. I think this is the fault of the organization as a whole. Talking points:

• They have not drafted an "outside the numbers" guy who has had success since 2002, with Givens and Branch. Misses include PK Sam, Chad Jackson, Taylor Price, Aaron Dobson, Josh Boyce, Brandon Tate and to a lesser extent Malcom Mitchell.
• They have not successfully developed anything other than slots. (Welker, Edelman, now Meyers. Welker was not their draft pick) Is this a result of poor drafting, scouting, or coaching? None of the above, save the mentioned slot receivers have moved on to be successful.
• Moss arrived here on the back half of his career, got a fresh start, excelled, reverted to form and was shipped out. But he was not developed here.
• The list of WR free agents to come in here and fail is just as big. I don't need to list, we all know it.

The combination of poor drafting, scouting, and development of WR talent is this organizations Achilles heal. It's the one thing they suck at. They can coach, teach and develop slots, but those field stretchers that so many of us would like to see, they are lousy at it. I think as Belichick has aged, it is apparent to me that his desire to coach his type of guys, the "guys I want to coach", makes it difficult to draft a young guy. I know that they can't all be divas, but obviously there's a giant hole in the resume of Bill Belichick when it comes to picking young guys who can play that position. Further, the continued failure of veterans who come here, many of who don't even make it out of camp, speaks volumes to me on their ability to successfully translate their system to players from other systems. Now, many of those guys, like a Joey Galloway, Reggie Wayne or Tory Holt, simply don't have anything left and just say "eff this" and leave. Some, like Ocho Cinco, never fully grasp the process here. Others, like Reche Caldwell and Cordarrell Patterson, had a limited amount of talent to begin with. That's not to say that every free agent was a bust, but for Every Donte Stallworth and Brandon Cooks, you can list many who were not successful. Often, they are throwing darts at a dartboard in the hopes of being successful. Insert "blind squirrel" cliche here.

From my seat, N'keal Harry is just another on the list of WRs who aren't successful in NE.