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What games are you most interested in for week 17 (pick two)

  • Jets at Patriots

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Steelers at Browns

    Votes: 4 36.4%
  • Dolphins at Bills

    Votes: 6 54.5%
  • Arizona at Rams

    Votes: 2 18.2%
  • Falcons at Bucs

    Votes: 2 18.2%
  • Packers at Bears

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Seahawks - Niners

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Chargers at Chiefs

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • other: Saints at Carolina, Cowboys at Giants, etc

    Votes: 2 18.2%
  • none: I'm looking at free agency and the draft

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    11
  • Poll closed .

jmt57

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Maps are not out yet, but based on what games are on it should be somewhat easy to figure out what games will be broadcast in your area. Not sure about Canada and other countries as of yet either.

This is the one time when there are two early games as well as two late games in all markets.

CBS EARLY
Pittsburgh @ Cleveland
Miami @ Buffalo
Baltimore @ Cincinnati
NY Jets @ New England

CBS LATE
Arizona @ LA Rams
Tennessee @ Houston
Jacksonville @ Indianapolis
Las Vegas @ Denver

FOX EARLY
Dallas @ NY Giants
Minnesota @ Detroit
Atlanta @ Tampa Bay

FOX LATE
Green Bay @ Chicago
New Orleans @ Carolina
Seattle @ San Francisco
LA Chargers @ Kansas City

SUNDAY NIGHT
Washington @ Philadelphia
 

jmt57

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Odds as of Tuesday afternoon

6-9 Washington (-1½) at 4-10-1 Eagles (over/under 43)
1-14 Jaguars (+14) at 10-5 Colts (50)
12-3 Packers (-5½) at 8-7 Bears (51)
6-9 Cowboys (-3) at 5-10 Giants (45)
12-3 Steelers (+10) at 10-5 Browns (42½)
10-5 Titans (-7½) at 4-11 Texans (56½)
11-4 Saints (-6½) at 5-10 Panthers (48)
2-13 Jets (+3) at 6-9 Patriots (39½)
6-9 Vikings (-7) at 5-10 Lions (54½)
4-11 Falcons (+6½) at 10-5 Bucs (50½)
10-5 Ravens (-12) at 4-10-1 Bengals (44½)
10-5 Dolphins (pk) at 12-3 Bills (44½)
6-9 Chargers (-3½) at 14-1 Chiefs (44)
11-4 Seahawks (-5½) at 6-9 Niners (46)
7-8 Raiders (-2½) at 5-10 Broncos (50½)
8-7 Cardinals (+5) at 9-6 Rams (39½)

A few numbers jump out at me:
  • Pats favored over the Jets, despite the way each of those teams have played the last three weeks.
  • Browns not only favored over the Steelers, but favored by ten!
  • Chargers favored over the Chiefs, despite an eight-win discrepancy.
 

jmt57

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AFC Playoff Picture

14-1 Chiefs (vs Chargers)
Locked into #1 spot; first round bye, home field throughout

12-3 Bills (vs Dolphins)
AFCE winner; can only be #2 or #3
Clinch #2 with either a win, or Pittsburgh loss

12-3 Steelers (at Browns)
AFCN winner; can only be #2 or #3
Clinch #2 with a win, plus Buffalo loss

10-5 Titans (at Texans)
Can finish anywhere from #4 seed, to missing playoffs
#4 seed with either a win, or Indy loss
#5 seed or below if Colts win AFCN (Colts win plus Titans lose)
#5 seed if Colts win AFCN, and Browns, Dolphins, Ravens all lose
#6 seed if Colts win AFCN, and two of Browns, Dolphins, Ravens lose
#7 seed if Colts win AFCN, and either Dolphins or Ravens lose
Eliminated with a loss, plus Colts, Dolphins, Ravens all win

10-5 Colts (vs Jaguars)
Can finish anywhere from #4 seed, to missing playoffs
#4 seed with both a win, plus Titans loss
#5 seed or below if Titans win AFCN (either Titans win or Colts lose)
#5 seed with win, Titans win, plus Browns, Dolphins, Ravens all lose
#6 seed with win, Titans win, plus two of Browns, Dolphins, Ravens lose
#7 seed with win, Titans win, plus one of Browns, Dolphins, Ravens lose
Eliminated with a loss
Eliminated if Titans, Browns, Dolphins and Ravens all win

10-5 Dolphins (at Bills)
Can finish anywhere from #5 seed, to missing playoffs
#5 seed with a win
#5 seed despite loss if Browns, Colts and Ravens all lose
#6 seed despite loss if two of Browns, Colts, or Ravens lose
#7 seed despite loss if any of Browns, Colts, or Ravens lose
Eliminated with a loss, plus Browns, Colts, Ravens all win

10-5 Ravens (at Bengals)
Can finish anywhere from #5 seed, to missing playoffs
#5 seed with a win, plus Dolphins lose
#6 seed with a win, plus Dolphins win
#6 seed with a loss, plus Browns and Colts lose
#7 seed with a loss, plus either Browns or Colts lose
Eliminated with a loss, plus both Browns and Colts win

10-5 Browns (vs Steelers)
Can finish anywhere from #5 seed, to missing playoffs
#5 seed with a win, plus both Dolphins and Ravens lose
#6 seed with a win, plus either Dolphins or Ravens lose
#7 seed or better with a win
#7 seed or better with a Colts loss
#7 seed if Titans lose, Ravens win, Dolphins win
Eliminated with loss, plus Colts and Titans both win
 

jmt57

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NFC Playoff Picture

Number One Seed
13-3 Packers (at Bears)
11-4 Saints (at Panthers)
11-4 Seahawks (at Forty Niners)

All have won their division titles, and will either be a #1, #2, or #3 seed
Packers are #1 seed with either a win, or Seahawks loss
Saints are #1 seed with a win, plus Packers loss
Seahawks are #1 seed with a win, plus both Packers and Saints lose
Saints drop to #3 with a loss, plus Seahawks win
Seahawks are #3 seed with either a loss, or if both Packers and Saints win


Wild Card
10-5 Buccaneers (vs Falcons)

#5 seed with either a win, or a Rams loss
#6 seed with both a loss, and a Rams win

9-6 Rams (vs Cardinals)
#5 seed with both a win, and a Bucs loss
#6 seed with both a win, and a Bucs loss
#7 seed with both a loss, and a Bears loss
Eliminated with both a loss, and a Bears win

8-7 Bears (vs Packers)
#6 seed with both a win, plus Rams loss
#7 seed with both a win, plus Rams win
#7 seed with both a loss, plus Rams win
Eliminated with both a loss, plus Rams loss

8-7 Cardinals (at Rams)
#6 seed with both a win, plus Bears loss
#7 seed with both a win, plus Bears win
Eliminated with a loss


NFC Least, #4 Seed
6-9 Washington (at Eagles)

#4 seed with a win
Eliminated with a loss

6-9 Cowboys at 5-10 Giants
Winner is #4 seed with a win, plus Washington loss; loser is eliminated
Both teams are eliminated with a Washington win
 

jmt57

Moderator
Staff member
Tomlin announces that he will sit Roethlisberger for week 17.

This means Mason Rudolph vs Myles Garrett, the sequel

This also means:
  • Browns have new life, after losing to the Jets in week 16
  • Buffalo may have an easier path to #2 if the Steelers are not truly trying to win
  • Miami may have an easier path to the playoffs if Buffalo also decides to rest players
  • Chances of Colts missing playoffs increases


Tomlin claims he is preparing to win like any other game, but also said that his 'team will go play minus Ben and maybe another guy or two'.
 

jmt57

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Staff member
Maps are now up. As expected the Pats game will be broadcast only in New England and NYC.

CBS has only six NFL broadcast teams, but eight games on Sunday - so they grabbed an NFL radio announcer/Phillies play-by-play guy and paired him with a sideline reporter for this game.

Fox loves their NFC East, so that gets national coverage. The only neutral market not airing that NYG-Dallas game is Providence, which has the Bucs.

The other national games are Steelers at Browns, Cardinals at Rams and Packers at Bears.

 

captain stone

Hall of Fame Poster
I chose Jest-Pats, of course, and Cowboys-Vagiants...It would be a Travesty if an incompetent like Joey Judge makes the POs...
 
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Scotty

Third String But Playing on Special Teams
Some great info above gents thanks...I will be on Game pass for the Pats game...live in UK we have Steelers v Browns , Cardinals v Rams , Washington v Eagles. Apart from the Pats I guess the Steelers Browns game would be worth watching
 

FortressX

Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job
The night game of Football team vs Fun team should get YUGE ratings with 3 big markets plus whoever nationwide watching it.
 

Ice_Ice_Brady

Team Bill's Worst Nightmare
PatsFans.com Supporter
Mahomes is the clear MVP and is getting screwed.

14-1 is much harder to achieve than 13-3, especially with a much tougher slate of opponents. He played so well down the stretch of almost every game. Rodgers will win because he threw more short TDs and had more “huge stat games” in blowouts. As if racking up 4 TDs in 45-10 wins is so much more valuable than 3 TDs in those types of games and not offset by a season of clutch 4th quarter drives from Mahomes.

Yes, Mahomes had more weapons but the Packers have an incredible offensive line and Adams is the best skill player of either team. I think supporting cast is close to a wash.

Both would be near unanimous MVPs most years, so I‘m not saying Rodgers is unworthy, just that Mahomes has obviously been more deserving of the award.
 

Ice_Ice_Brady

Team Bill's Worst Nightmare
PatsFans.com Supporter
Following up on Packers o-line, what a crushing loss. Just signed a $25M per year deal and might be the league’s best LT. I don’t know if he or Adams is the Packers most valuable player besides Rodgers; it’s close.

 

denverpatsfan

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2020 Weekly NFL Picks Winner
Following up on Packers o-line, what a crushing loss. Just signed a $25M per year deal and might be the league’s best LT. I don’t know if he or Adams is the Packers most valuable player besides Rodgers; it’s close.

Damn. It just got easier for KC.
 

Gumby

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It is lazy scheduling to make all week 17 games divisional matchups. There could be much better matchups than these.

i hate the gotohell era nyjfl, but this is the one-off good decision. Making the last weekend (almost) all div matchups was intended to preserve the suspense / competitiveness in the div winners to the last week.
look at the the teams w spot wrapped up, chefs and squeezers sitting players. Would be a whole bunch more if these div games were played two weeks ago.
 

captain stone

Hall of Fame Poster
Mahomes is the clear MVP and is getting screwed.

14-1 is much harder to achieve than 13-3, especially with a much tougher slate of opponents. He played so well down the stretch of almost every game. Rodgers will win because he threw more short TDs and had more “huge stat games” in blowouts. As if racking up 4 TDs in 45-10 wins is so much more valuable than 3 TDs in those types of games and not offset by a season of clutch 4th quarter drives from Mahomes.

Yes, Mahomes had more weapons but the Packers have an incredible offensive line and Adams is the best skill player of either team. I think supporting cast is close to a wash.

Both would be near unanimous MVPs most years, so I‘m not saying Rodgers is unworthy, just that Mahomes has obviously been more deserving of the award.
Just how exactly is that boorish, entitled, jumpy punk bastard being screwed?
 
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