NFL record: Pats 6 straight games giving up 300+ yards passing...

[slam]

A new record! Woo hoo! We're #1! We're #1! We're #1!

 

[Oswlek]

Well, during my entire NFL fandom, I've seen excellent secondaries and anemic pass-rushing result in a sucky D; and I've witnessed excellent pass-rushers elevating the play of average-to-middling DBs

So has everyone else. That doesn't mean it can't be both.

 

[Ring 6]

I like to look at context

Like how Drew Brees had 242 yards when the Pats kicked a FG to go up 36-13 with about 8 minutes to go and Belichick went vanilla.


Or how after Pats kicked a FG to go up 19-14 Winston had 258 yards with 70 seconds no timeouts and had to go 75 yards and Belichick traded yards for time and before someone says Winston had a shot to the endzone, ya he had 1 when there was 3 seconds left.


And Josh McCown well all I can say is Pats were missing 2 of their top 3 CBs. Feel like it might have been a little different if Gilmore was playing and not Bademosi.

I agree on the Brees comments.

I thought the d vs Tampa was excellent but in the 4th quarter it had troubles but overcame them. The last drive wasn't really trading time for yards, they went after them and struggled. No way the plan was a shot from the 20.

Agree on jets.

But the garbage time factor is minimal this year.
I think we can all agree the pass defense has not been good and needs to improve. It's just a matter of where you place those markers.

 

[Wordsmyth]

So has everyone else. That doesn't mean it can't be both.

But that doesn't mean everyone else has analyzed the situation correctly, does it?

Any more nitpicks?

 

[Ring 6]

The frustrating thing is they look really good in small spurts then give up a big play. I'm just hoping to see some consistency and no wide open receivers.

They are going to give up plays. The average game is about 22 completions for 240 yards and almost every qb completed over 60% of their passes and some 70%.

It is very difficult to stop pass plays in the NFL. I don't know why this shocks people.

The difference between a good d and a mediocre one isn't 50 plays a game better it's 4 or 5.

 

[Ring 6]

Well, during my entire NFL fandom, I've seen excellent secondaries and anemic pass-rushing result in a sucky D; and I've witnessed excellent pass-rushers elevating the play of average-to-middling DBs. So I think I know what I'm talking about.

This is a flawed statement.
There is no consensus of what pass rush ot what secondary is good or bad.
Further the impact each other.
A weak pass rush can make a good secondary look bad and a weak secondary can make a goodvlas rush look bad and vice versa.

In today's NFL coverage is more important than pressure simply because passing offenses can get the ball out before the pressure affects them. A large portion of the pass plays in the NFL eliminate the pass rush by getting rid of the ball before a pass rush would be a factor.
Give me a defense that can't cover and you can have the greatest pass rush ever and I'll destroy it with short passes.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

2003 Pats gave up 30 to McNair and 34 to Manning (1yd shy of giving up 41). They sucked against good offenses like those...

...until they didn't when they gave up 14 to each of them in the January rematches.

Giving up yards now is fine. Heck, giving up points now is fine. Just get the wins while problems get worked on and hopefully fixed by January.

Regards,
Chris

I understand your point here, but i chuckled over the very thought of the 17 patriots D being mentioned in same sentence as 03 D

03 D posted three shutouts, they were a historically great defense. They put the fear of god into opposing QBs. The 17 D revives the careers of struggling mediocre QBs

 

[nabwong]

Brilliant strategy by Matt P. We’re forcing their offense to stay on the field and get tired. Wait a minute.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

It's not like the Pats are giving up tons of yards but are holding teams to few points. Pats are ranked 31 out of 32 in points allowed. The defense sucks.

The law of avg will set in. I guaranteed they will not be at the bottom at the end of the year

 

[dannydyn]

When your defense is ranked 31st in POINTS ALLOWED, it's called:

bend AND break!

It's just that we're lucky to have the GOAT, who can carry this team, even with the defense ****ting themselves all over the field.

 

[oldrover]

When your defense is ranked 31st in POINTS ALLOWED, it's called:

bend AND break!

It's just that we're lucky to have the GOAT, who can carry this team, even with the defense ****ting themselves all over the field.

As a courtesy to you, Andy Johnson will be along soon to show you where you're wrong.

 

[mgcolby]

The pass rush is there, we just can't finish. This team has to lead the league in touching the QB but not getting the sack. Now to their credit they have played 5 mobile QB's and McGown was more slippery than I would have thought.

 

[Kontradiction]

The pass rush is there, we just can't finish. This team has to lead the league in touching the QB but not getting the sack. Now to their credit they have played 5 mobile QB's and McGown was more slippery than I would have thought.

They actually sacked the **** out of McCown compared to their performance against other QBs in that category. It IS McCown and the unit is still nothing to write home about, but there have been some improvements in the last two weeks.

 

[Ring 6]

As a courtesy to you, Andy Johnson will be along soon to show you where you're wrong.

I've already addressed this thanks, actually game by game and although his post is oversimplified it's not wrong.

 

[Username]

This defense has been painful to watch at times. There's been a sense of inevitability that when it's 3rd and long the QB will somehow manage to scramble and throw it away, straight into the arms of a completely uncovered receiver, 25 yards down the field. It's odd, and I don't know what the root cause or solution is. There's more to it than the oft-cited "communication issues", of that I'm sure.

 

[Ring 6]

The law of avg will set in. I guaranteed they will not be at the bottom at the end of the year

I dont really care if they are.
These 6 are in the book.
I don't need the next 10 plus playoffs to make up for them to help the average.
If the patriots were to spend the next 10 weeks as #1 in points allowed I would Consider them pretty much equal to last years d going into the playoffs. Season long averages aren't meaningful unless they are consistent.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

I dont really care if they are.
These 6 are in the book.
I don't need the next 10 plus playoffs to make up for them to help the average.
If the patriots were to spend the next 10 weeks as #1 in points allowed I would Consider them pretty much equal to last years d going into the playoffs. Season long averages aren't meaningful unless they are consistent.

rhetorical question: would you rather they improve as the season progress or vice versa?

 

[Ring 6]

rhetorical question: would you rather they improve as the season progress or vice versa?

Huh? I think you misread me.

My comment was I don't care what the final rankings are.

How they play from here in is what matters and whethervthat is added to great of awful stats from games 1-6 is irrelevant so cumulative season numbers don't mean anything to me, it's what you are at the end.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

Well it will be 7 in a row hopefully they can find a way to still win the game.

 

[archstanton543]

Well it will be 7 in a row hopefully they can find a way to still win the game.

Probably. If they're letting below average guys pass all day on them, then an above average QB like Ryan will have a field day.