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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.If only the Fish played DET this year. I'm sure Incognito would be a good bet of someone to do it.You can take it to the bank that one day, an OL is going to roll up really bad on his leg and destroy his knee.
Deliberately going at a guy's knees from behind is inexcusable and there are no set of circumstances where it can be justified.Watching the gif here, that was not quite as dirty as many of the initial comments led me to believe. I see a defenisve lineman trying to angle into a block on an offensive lineman and throwing himself at said lineman when he appears to be running past the point of intersection.
His base salary is actually only $530K or so, so 2 game suspension would cost him LESS than $100K.
Deliberately going at a guy's knees from behind is inexcusable and there are no set of circumstances where it can be justified.
There's a reason that maneuver is a 15 year penalty - and it ain't one of them new 15 yard penalties. This has been illegal for decades.
If I'm not mistaken this is his sixth fine. Eventually, you just have to say enough is enough and suspend him for multiple games, or maybe even an entire season.Someone said basically "Don't say it's too little, $100G is $100G."
That sends a message, yes, but the message to the Lions needs to be: If Suh pulls this **** again, he sits, and YOU get fined $100K.
There is absolutely no Vikings player in front of the returner. Sullivan is at least 5 yards behind the play and jogging. Suh deliberately throws his elbow out to go along with all of his weight and momentum at Sullivan's knee area. He made an illegal, dirty hit. He has the reputation for a reason and it looks to me as if it's going to be staying around for a long time.He doesn't go at him from behind. Suh comes in from the side and actually makes a concerted effort to get his helmet and shoulder in front.
There is absolutely no Vikings player in front of the returner. Sullivan is at least 5 yards behind the play and jogging. Suh deliberately throws his elbow out to go along with all of his weight and momentum at Sullivan's knee area. He made an illegal, dirty hit. He has the reputation for a reason and it looks to me as if it's going to be staying around for a long time.
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Is it dirty? No, I don't believe you can say that. Sullivan is a legitimate target and Suh clearly does his best to make as clean a cut block as he can. This looks far more like Suh losing his head and/or being an idiot than making a calculating decision to injure another player.
My point again is not that Suh does not deserve a fine or a suspension; he has a track record and being an idiot who can't follow rules is sometimes as much a danger to other players as a guy out for blood. But I don't think its right to attribute every illegal thing he does to pure malice.
You can't block a QB on a return; it's a penalty for roughing the passer. And we just disagree on what we're seeing. Maybe my view is biased because I believed him to be a dirty player before this play.It is true there is no Vikings player in front of the returner, but I don't think Suh knows that. His head the entire time is looking for pursuit, it's not downfield. As a general football principle, the QB is the "last man" in these int return situations, so coaches often coach players to (a) put a body on the QB if you're near him, which they are usually only too happy to do and (b) knock out the pursuit if you're near it, giving the returner time to set up blocks or moves further downfield. I think we can all remember times when returners have been held up just enough by feeble obstacles downfield on a return that upfield pursuit catches them from behind. Sullivan is definitely pursuing the play here.
As for the rest, like the other post I responding directly to, I honestly don't know where you're seeing it. Sullivan, the Vikings offensive lineman, is running after the play, not jogging. He is in fact the closest Viking to the returner, so if you were asking Suh to block somebody on this play, which I can only imagine Gunther Cunningham and Schwartz strenuously emphasize, he could hardly have picked a better target at the moment he lined up and committed to his block, which likely happened before the gif on the page even starts.
You might say that at the very end, right before Suh hits him, Sullivan slows down a bit and turns his head from the ballcarrier, knowing he can't make the play and looking to protect himself, but Suh is already throwing himself forward at that point.
As for Suh's elbows, they are both clearly tucked into his body.
Is it an illegal hit? Yes, three times over. Sullivan is
(a) outside the tackle box
(b) more than five yards from the line of scrimmage
(c) the defender in a return situation
and can't be cut block.
Is it dirty? No, I don't believe you can say that. Sullivan is a legitimate target and Suh clearly does his best to make as clean a cut block as he can. This looks far more like Suh losing his head and/or being an idiot than making a calculating decision to injure another player.
My point again is not that Suh does not deserve a fine or a suspension; he has a track record and being an idiot who can't follow rules is sometimes as much a danger to other players as a guy out for blood. But I don't think its right to attribute every illegal thing he does to pure malice.
You can't block a QB on a return; it's a penalty for roughing the passer.
True. As the rule book says, a "distinctly defensive position."This is incorrect or, rather, only partially true. A QB who tries to get into the play is fair game.
You can't block a QB on a return; it's a penalty for roughing the passer. And we just disagree on what we're seeing. Maybe my view is biased because I believed him to be a dirty player before this play.
In the end, he made another illegal block that was unnecessary.
NFL Rulebook said:A passer who is standing still or fading backwards after the ball has left his hand is obviously out of the play and must not be unnecessarily contacted by the defense through the end of the play or until the passer becomes a blocker, or until he becomes a runner upon taking a lateral from a teammate or picking up a loose ball, or, in the event of a change of possession on the play, until the passer assumes a distinctly defensive position.