NFL Draft Talk

[FredFromDartmouth]

Campbell at 4 if Carter and Hunter are gone.

If Carter is still there, trade down and get a boatload of picks. A first and second this year and a first next year; then you can stock up. The Patriots need more picks.

If Carter and Hunter are not there, then no one will trade up with the Patriots so you would be stuck with Campbell which would not be too, too bad. Not sexy, but solid.

 

[signbabybrady]

I've officially reached the paralysis by analysis phase and I don't know what to do now.

This weekend I got a little beat up on Tet and I kind of conceded and circled back to OL again because LT is obviously our biggest need and Campbell's tape is probably better than all the other prospects not named Hunter or Carter.

Also I feel the arm length is less of a red flag than Graham's weight, I was convinced it was less of a red flag than Tets speed/separation. The floor is probably very low on guys like Warren or Jeanty but can you justify RB or TE at 4?

So I landed back on Campbell and I'm feeling pretty good about it. It's our biggest need and I felt I've done my homework.

I text this off to a group chain and the first question I get is to name the last LT picked top ten to lead their team to a SB win. So I start looking back and here's what I got from the last ten years:

Sewell was picked 7th obviously Lions haven't won yet but that's a good pick. Wirfs at 13 was a need for the Bucs in 2020 but 12 was winning no matter what. McGlinchy at 9 for San Fran didn't win but got there twice. Ronnie Stanley at 6 but still no win. That's about all I found from the last ten drafts. The point would seem to be counterintuitive but extremely valid.

I maybe should go back another decade and maybe I missed someone over the last ten years but I'm now very curious as to what the board thinks about this interesting nugget of information?

 

[Ring 6]

If Carter is still there, trade down and get a boatload of picks. A first and second this year and a first next year; they you can stock up.

If Carter and Hunter are not there, then no one will trade up with the Patriots so you would be stuck with Campbell which would not be too, too bad. Not sexy, but solid.

If you feel there is a chance one is there, the guy you think could go ahead of him would be the guy someone would trade up for.

 

[signbabybrady]

I am not as high on Hunter as you appear to be. What is it about Hunter that you think makes him 4th pick worthy? For me the fact that he plays CB is a non issue because I think he would come here as a WR. He is pretty raw as a WR, not to say he wouldn't learn but if we are going a "project" with the 4th pick I would rather go with the best OT, imo.

This just seems like such a silly question. You don't have to agree with it but I think it's extremely obvious why he's considered one of the best prospects in this draft.

He won the Biletnikoff award.

You don't win that if you're a raw WR prospect.

Even if we accept that he is raw if you combine that with the fact he was voted the best college WR in the world despite being raw then it would only be logical to conclude that these 2 things combine to create an extremely high ceiling.

 

[Patsgofor4]

I am not as high on Hunter as you appear to be. What is it about Hunter that you think makes him 4th pick worthy? For me the fact that he plays CB is a non issue because I think he would come here as a WR. He is pretty raw as a WR, not to say he wouldn't learn but if we are going a "project" with the 4th pick I would rather go with the best OT, imo.

His competitiveness, his drive to be great, his elite athleticism, ability to separate and ball skills. For a guy who isn't even 6'1", his contested catch success is incredible.



But don't take my word for it, let's see what the NFL guys say about him as a WR:

https://athlonsports.com/college/colorado-buffaloes/scouts-have-strong-opinions-on-which-position-travis-hunter-should-play-in-nfl

“That guy can play whatever he wants,” an anonymous AFC scout told ESPN. “[But] I think the way the league is going -- with wide-open offenses -- I think you put him at wide receiver.”

But as good as he’s been defensively, Hunter has been just as good, if not better on the other side of the ball. The 21-year-old junior is tied for third in the country in receptions (46), he’s tied for fourth in touchdowns (six) and he ranks fifth in receiving yards (561).

Hunter also has the highest reception percentage (72.7) on passes of 20 yards or longer among WRs with 10 or more targets, and he’s also tied for the fourth-best contested catch rate (71.4) among WRs with five or more contested catches this season, and his big-play potential is presumably why many consider his upside higher as a WR in the NFL.

“I watched him live, and his movement and ball skills combo [were] rare,” an anonymous GM said. “I think he projects higher at wide receiver. ... His frame and tackling demands would be the place to nitpick [at cornerback].”

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

I've officially reached the paralysis by analysis phase and I don't know what to do now.

This weekend I got a little beat up on Tet and I kind of conceded and circled back to OL again because LT is obviously our biggest need and Campbell's tape is probably better than all the other prospects not named Hunter or Carter.
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I hope I did not beat you up on Tet. I just saw what Hunter did to him and it was like Tet was standing still....but do not take my word for it....I am just a guy who spends a few minutes on each WR, and I have been proven wrong before by guys that I thought were big, slow galoots....

 

[Ring 6]

I've officially reached the paralysis by analysis phase and I don't know what to do now.

This weekend I got a little beat up on Tet and I kind of conceded and circled back to OL again because LT is obviously our biggest need and Campbell's tape is probably better than all the other prospects not named Hunter or Carter.

Also I feel the arm length is less of a red flag than Graham's weight, I was convinced it was less of a red flag than Tets speed/separation. The floor is probably very low on guys like Warren or Jeanty but can you justify RB or TE at 4?

So I landed back on Campbell and I'm feeling pretty good about it. It's our biggest need and I felt I've done my homework.

I text this off to a group chain and the first question I get is to name the last LT picked top ten to lead their team to a SB win. So I start looking back and here's what I got from the last ten years:

Sewell was picked 7th obviously Lions haven't won yet but that's a good pick. Wirfs at 13 was a need for the Bucs in 2020 but 12 was winning no matter what. McGlinchy at 9 for San Fran didn't win but got there twice. Ronnie Stanley at 6 but still no win. That's about all I found from the last ten drafts. The point would seem to be counterintuitive but extremely valid.

I maybe should go back another decade and maybe I missed someone over the last ten years but I'm now very curious as to what the board thinks about this interesting nugget of information?

That’s a stupid criteria. The only WR drafted in the top 10 to win a SB was Smith at 10 and he was hardly the reason they won the SB.
If you say top 9 it’s no one at LT or WR if you say top 10 it’s 1 vs 0. That’s a dumb way to make decision.

 

[signbabybrady]

That’s a stupid criteria. The only WR drafted in the top 10 to win a SB was Smith at 10 and he was hardly the reason they won the SB.
If you say top 9 it’s no one at LT or WR if you say top 10 it’s 1 vs 0. That’s a dumb way to make decision.

Or maybe if that's also true we should pick something other than WR or OL.

I did start my post by saying paralysis by analysis.

But I think we all can agree we want to choose someone that will help us win a Superbowl.

 

[gobesmug]

I would be very upset if they drafted Membou. Hopefully Scar is still a consultant and would nix Membou. I watched a few minutes of tape and he was blatantly holding on every play. Yecch. I did not see that with Campbell.

If Hunter is gone at 4, trade down if possible. If not, take Campbell.....

As boring as this may sound, I think that the Patriots will end up having to take Campbell at 4, sigh.

Are you good at watching oline film?

Serious question and not a jab of any kind. I ask because I really like the LT from Iowa State, Jalen Travis.

He is 6.8 340 and has a higher ras than Membou.

Just wondering why he is currently projected a late rd pick and not getting more attention

 

[imahobgoblin]

I am not as high on Hunter as you appear to be. What is it about Hunter that you think makes him 4th pick worthy? For me the fact that he plays CB is a non issue because I think he would come here as a WR. He is pretty raw as a WR, not to say he wouldn't learn but if we are going a "project" with the 4th pick I would rather go with the best OT, imo.

Are you freaking blind? Maybe the dude won the Fred Biletnikoff Award as the most outstanding receiver in American college football. It is so stinking dishonest to act like Hunter is not a top 4 pick. Such a stupid post.

 

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[Uptown]

Technically not draft news, but if we’re willing to offer a draft pick…screw it..

 

[dliverey44]

Are you freaking blind? Maybe the dude won the Fred Biletnikoff Award as the most outstanding receiver in American college football. It is so stinking dishonest to act like Hunter is not a top 4 pick. Such a stupid post.

OK, You can **** right off. Why are coming in so hot for someone having an opinion that you don't agree with. No where in my post did I say he is not worth the #4 pick, in fact in other posts I said I would not complain if the Pats took him because he is going to be good. That doesn't change the fact that he is raw as a WR, which is mostly due to him playing CB as well and not being able to refine his skills as a WR.

Again **** off

 

[Lansdowne]

Technically not draft news, but if we’re willing to offer a draft pick…screw it..

This guy from the tweet is a realtor who has his own podcast with a low follower count. I’m going to go ahead and call BS on his claims of knowing these specific details of trade discussions. I don’t think we’d want Pitts anyway. He’s not an inline TE, he can’t block well, he plays soft for a player his size, runs bad routes, doesn’t get separation, and overall just looks uninterested in playing football. He’s everything we loved about Gronk except the total opposite. Example below:



Way to hustle to tackle that guy after coughing up the ball to him. We’re not getting Pitts and thank goodness for that.

 

[varjao]

If the Pats trade #4 you guys think that happens when they are on the clock? Draft day? Days before?

 

[signbabybrady]

If the Pats trade #4 you guys think that happens when they are on the clock? Draft day? Days before?

On the clock got to see if Carter or Hunter fall first

 

[imahobgoblin]

OK, You can **** right off. Why are coming in so hot for someone having an opinion that you don't agree with. No where in my post did I say he is not worth the #4 pick, in fact in other posts I said I would not complain if the Pats took him because he is going to be good. That doesn't change the fact that he is raw as a WR, which is mostly due to him playing CB as well and not being able to refine his skills as a WR.

Again **** off

I love it when people have tantrums when they get called out for posting trash, and then just lie to try to cover it. Yes, you did question whether Hunter is worth a top 4 pick. You wrote, "What is it about Hunter that you think makes him 4th pick worthy?" If you thought he was worthy, you would have never asked this. Thinking he is unworthy is absolutely delusional. Regarding your calling him a "project," every single player in the draft is a "project" since none have ever played in the NFL. Hunter is no more a "project" than any other college player entering his rookie season. Of course he needs to develop. In breaking news, water is wet. The scary part about Hunter is that he is college footballs best WR and he has not even dedicated himself 100% to the position yet. That is not a negative like you are trying to claim. Its an incredible positive. If Josh got his hands on Hunter, he could mold him from day 1 into something incredible. If you cannot see that, you really are blind or delusional.

 

[Uptown]

Nobody’s “can’t miss”, and there are other receivers who I deem to have higher ceilings; however Egbuka seems to have the safest floor as any receiver in this class. NFL ready. Definition of a rock solid, with elite traits. Think Eric Decker lite, Kupp, bigger Amon-Ra, Boldin lite.