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  1. TommyD4207

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    Honestly, if he had really spent time with Kobe, he would have learned how to dribble, and wouldn't pass so damned much.

    If I had to guess, the issue wasn't with Irving and Tatum (two Duke guys, btw, Coach K would have jumped in on that real quick). I think it was more Irving and Rosier.

    For $30 million/yr, isn't Al Horford supposed to be a veteran leader? He's the oldest guy on the team. He can't say anything to anyone to clear it up? Then again, that goes back to the coach, because in the end, it's /his/ job. That's an NBA coach's job now.

    Edit: More on the Tatum and dribbling issue. Last year it was 'fine', subpar, but not egregious. This year, teams had film on him, and were constantly poking at the ball when he got it. The only time he ever put the ball on the floor is when he was uncovered.
     
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    Tatum better hope the Bucs don't have the blue print on how to defend him. He looked lost in that series very unsure of himself. Definitely not the same player we saw throughout the year.
     
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    Agree on his ballhandling.

    Not happy with Horford at $30m either.
     
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    except that coby white won't be there when we draft...I don't have an issue with size ..... as long as the production is there offensively and this dude can shoot
     
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    Hey, don’t trash talk the WNBA. There are some very tough women playing there and they only get between $40,000 - $115,000 per season. These overpaid divas like Kyrie are willing to proclaim themselves as geniuses, but fail to prove it on the court. This team was a train wreck all year with no mental toughness.
     
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    as with the entire team, the 3's weren't falling as they did all season .... the C's offense became inefficient against the bucks, and they had plenty of open shots....they just weren't falling.....Kyries shooting went to crap in the playoffs, everything else fell in behind that......he would be in a much better place if he was Chris Paul to James Harden
     
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    Yea hes a high pick. maybe they can swing a sign n trade....
     
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    I know everyone wants Kyrie gone, and believe me, I hate him right now.

    But just to play devils advocate, unless the team genuinely hates him too, I still think you can win a title with Kyrie as a key piece. He just can’t be your top guy.
     
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    I think the jury is out on Stevens. He’s shown the ability to mold teams, motivate teams, and have teams overachieve.

    He completely whiffed this year, obviously. The question is, was the team fatally flawed, or could a better coaching job get more out of them. Hard to say, but he definitely did a ****ty job this year. Having said that, I wouldn’t get rid of him.
     
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    they need Kyle Korver type players or JJ Redick type players. guys that come off the bench, make 3 shots in a row and go back to the bench. players that understand their role and perform well.
     
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    but he wants to be the top guy. that's why he wanted out of Cleveland. he wants to be the guy but doesn't want and can't handle the responsibility. he's got to go. all his negative intangibles outweigh his talent.
     
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    Probably true. But he might realize now that’s not him.
     
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    If we go that high, I want deandre hunter
     
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    Maybe someone will take Hayward for a top 10 selection :p
     
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    ...then Kyrie would shoot his way out of town again. Not worth it.

    It would need to be a player who doesn't demand the ball but commands respect.
     
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    ended up sucking azz tho
     
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    Hayward's contract is utter devastation.

    They have no choice but to literally ride him for a few years. Awful how things have turned out.
     
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    I think Hayward will be fine. especially if Kyrie leaves. I'm not giving up on Hayward.
     
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    I’m not either, but it was frustrating how he seemed to have turned the corner and then...he turned two more corners and was back to where he started.
     
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    I'm not either. But his contract makes him the Celtics only real option. It is a terrible contract. 30 + million and going up each of the next three years.. If he is not a SUPER STAR the team is screwed.

    It is so bad that it dictates how the team plays and coaches. He has to become the facilitator of all they do on offense. He is going nowhere.
     

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