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Flowers!! Rest of d-line is average at best
Patriots have Scar who can coach up mediocre talent to excel. We do not have the same coaching talent for DL. I think Flowers is MUCH harder to replace
Trey Flowers and it's not even close. I don't understand how Trey Flowers is not the #1 Free agent on most media outlet's lists. He's the most versatile d-lineman in the game today.
why? because you have to dump somebody and these were options
If BB and Scar can find and coach a Trent Brown last year.............why can't they find and coach a Trent Brown this year?
As fans we need to be careful about overestimating the magical abilities of the coaches.
Scar is great but Brown has a ton of talent. Guys that are 6-8, 380 and run like deer don't grow on trees
I forgot to quote the person that was saying that we should dump Cannon.
And Ebner is not cheap. He is a 250 snap guy that costs half the price of the starting RT (+900 snaps).
He is not an sack artist but he can line up anywhere, he is young, he has all intangible tools, i would love to lock him up for 15m, but if 17 is the price i would do it. Ppl don't realize that they have a TON of cap and just a few players that are must sign. Patriots are built on ''depth'' guys, but you have to lock the talent that we have. And if you HAVE to lock ONE player, he is the guy.
He was their starting RT, so I'm not sure why you're looking at LT starts. Von Miller said that Brown was the best RT in the league and that he consistently gave Miller the toughest problems when they faced off. Brown was a solid RT, not just a JAG. Now, with better coaching, we can see his improvement over the season, starting off as mediocre at a new position, to fairly reliable, to outstanding all through the playoffs at LT. He's young and still trending upward. I want to lock him up long term, and Wynn can play as a swing tackle and T/G reserve. That's premium depth off the bench.
Also, while I strongly believe Wynn can play tackle, if Thuney moves on in FA next year, Wynn would be an attractive candidate to replace him. If Brown leaves, however, then we need to add more depth at the OL.
Flowers at $17M? or brown at $10M?
I'd choose Brown. The alternative is to choose Flowers and draft an OT in the first or second round.
At BEST, we will have a player coming back from a rookie injury, with no NFL experience, starting at LT. We would have Karras, Waddle, Ferenz and Croston as backups.
IMO, if we choose not to pay for Brown, we will pay for someone else, perhaps at less than what we might have to pay for Brown. Of course, with Brown, we have a known quality at LT. In addition, IMO, we'd be committed to drafting an OT in the first 2 rounds if Brown doesn't come back.
For me, the answer is Brown. Flowers at $17M AAV at more does NOT float my boat. It is just possible that Belichick might sign or trade for 2 or 3 DL's for $17M a year.
Neither of those two are good options to dump as both are damn good players and contribute beyond their deals.
He is an elite ST player that will make 2.7m. He is worth the money. One would think after all those years that people would appreciate ST more around here.
You wanna extend him and reduce the hit to 2m for this year be my guest.
Bill will as always do what is best for our football team. And I don't think paying 17 APY for Flowers is good for our football team.
I think that it would absolutely awesome to have this year's OL, and add Wynn as the first player off the bench at every position but center. He would basically be an upgrade from Waddle.
I understand that the DL is a huge priority. I just don't see us signing a DE for $17M AV. Our style of defense values individual DL's less than other teams. We are much more a team defense than other teams.
IMHO, if the McCourty's come back and we tender Jones, the total focus on defense will/should be on the DL.
We will bring back Guy, Butler, and Kamalu at DT. I presume that we will sign a fa and use a high draft choice at DT. We could also use a 2nd draft choice.
DE is much more difficult. We bring back Wise, Clayborn (likely gone in camp), Rivers and Davis. MY proposal is to make re-sign Simon a high priority. There is great value there.
I believe that our best bet to get top level players at DE is through a trade or two, and through a draft choice or two. I suppose that we might be able to get a Clayborn level play in free agency at a reasonable price.
It would be a surprise if Flowers doesn’t get a competitive offer by the Pats to stick around. I hope they are working on it right now.
Franchise/transition tag at the very least.
Can they clone someone that large? Sounds kind of scary.
I'd obviously like to have both back but given an option, I'd choose Flowers. He's a playmaker and a difference maker. Without him, our d-line is a huge weakness, especially given the fact that out DT position is up in the air.
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