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Confirmed: #Browns and #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels had more conversations this week. Possibly back in mix.

We've already heard just about everything that could possibly come out of the Browns' HC search, so this shouldn't be terribly surprising. He supposedly pulled his name out when he learned he wasn't the #1 choice, so it makes sense that he'd be interested again if he now is.


But my biggest question: Would he want to take any current Pats coaches with him? If he leaves, that already three offensive coaches gone, and if anybody goes with him, that'd be more. My best guess is that Daboll would be the replacement OC, but O'Shea could follow McDaniels for an OC job of his own, for example.
 

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Hey if he goes to Cleveland the Pats can get a bidding war for Mallett. Maybe can drive the price to a 1st :)
 

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We've already heard just about everything that could possibly come out of the Browns' HC search, so this shouldn't be terribly surprising. He supposedly pulled his name out when he learned he wasn't the #1 choice, so it makes sense that he'd be interested again if he now is.


But my biggest question: Would he want to take any current Pats coaches with him? If he leaves, that already three offensive coaches gone, and if anybody goes with him, that'd be more. My best guess is that Daboll would be the replacement OC, but O'Shea could follow McDaniels for an OC job of his own, for example.

It could simply be a ploy to gain leverage with Pettine.
 

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It could simply be a ploy to gain leverage with Pettine.

What leverage does Pettine have?

Browns: Do you want to finally be an NFL head coach
Pettine: Yes but....
Browns: What do you mean but? There are not buts, you either want to become a head coach or not.
 

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What leverage does Pettine have?

Browns: Do you want to finally be an NFL head coach
Pettine: Yes but....
Browns: What do you mean but? There are not buts, you either want to become a head coach or not.

"We're not an ideal head coaching destination; you're not an ideal head coaching candidate. What exactly is the problem here?"
 

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It could simply be a ploy to gain leverage with Pettine.


This. I can't see him leaving New England for another year, at least, especially when he'd be going to a snake pit like the Browns. He'd be unable to trust anyone in the front office, based upon the past year's actions, and he'd be stuck with a mediocre team not likely to get better soon.

He's in a good position now, and would be better off waiting for something else to come along.

Here's the big deal, though: If he takes the job, and it doesn't pan out, he's toast for any future Head Coaching jobs. Oh sure, he'll get an interview here and there, but it's unlikely he'd get a serious offer again. The Browns would be able (and wouldn't hesitate) to lay any problems squarely on him too, in order to deflect attention from thre owner's and GM's own ineptitude.

Of course, it's possible that he might take the job, but man....... with so many years ahead of him, he ought to be concerned about his future opportunities which, rightly or wrongly, will be associated with his win/loss record with whatever teams he has worked with.
 

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Josh could take a couple of coaches with him.

IMHO, Josh should wait. The Cleveland job is a really bad one. One must be careful when one chooses. In the NFL, you don't get to fail more than a couple of times.
 

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This. I can't see him leaving New England for another year, at least, especially when he'd be going to a snake pit like the Browns. He'd be unable to trust anyone in the front office, based upon the past year's actions, and he'd be stuck with a mediocre team not likely to get better soon.

He's in a good position now, and would be better off waiting for something else to come along.

Here's the big deal, though: If he takes the job, and it doesn't pan out, he's toast for any future Head Coaching jobs.
Considering Mangini's fate, that would make Cleveland the place where ex-Patriots coaches go to die.
 

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Not sure I see this at all, McDaniels did poorly in Denver and seems like a very intelligent man, so I suspect that before he jumps back into the fire, he will choose the right fire...

Cleveland has been a mess for a long time...
 

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Josh could take a couple of coaches with him.

IMHO, Josh should wait. The Cleveland job is a really bad one. One must be careful when one chooses. In the NFL, you don't get to fail more than a couple of times.

Hopefully, after reviewing the AFCC film BB told McDaniels its time to find another employer.

BB has given the boot other under performing Coordinators like Pees and Seely.
 

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This is already a growing problem with this offense.
Given Brady's impatience with young WR's and his inability/lack of desire to work with them and develop/elevate their game and given the troubling trend with Brady that his favorite receiver is no longer the open receiver (his excessive targeting of Edelman is just the latest example - first Moss then Welker now Jules) if anything this team needs a Charlie Weis type aka a strong personality as OC. Loved seeing Billy OB get in Brady's face when he was mouthing off to a young WR. THAT is what is needed.
Brady's unchecked ego, which has lead to some bad habits, really shows up in the playoffs when the Patriots play good teams in pressure games.

Look no further than that ridiculous throw to a covered MATTHEW SLATER in the Broncos game. It's the 1st qtr, it's 3rd and 3, the Patriots need to hang onto the ball and try to establish their offense, need to quiet the Broncos crowd and kill the emotional mojo for the Broncos by keeping Manning off the field and Brady throws to a covered special teams player as Danny Amendola sits WIDE OPEN in the middle of the field for a 1st down.

2003 Tom Brady sees a wide open Danny Amendola and hits him with a pass.
2013 Tom Brady throws to covered Matthew Slater for a 3 and out.

Terrible judgment. A very troubling trend with Brady.
 

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Some of you guys aren't going to be satisfied no matter who is OC. Apparently every OC is the worse in the league and has no idea what they're doing. Should hire this guy.

hindsight2.jpg
 

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This is already a growing problem with this offense.
Given Brady's impatience with young WR's and his inability/lack of desire to work with them and develop/elevate their game and given the troubling trend with Brady that his favorite receiver is no longer the open receiver (his excessive targeting of Edelman is just the latest example - first Moss then Welker now Jules) if anything this team needs a Charlie Weis type aka a strong personality as OC. Loved seeing Billy OB get in Brady's face when he was mouthing off to a young WR. THAT is what is needed.
Brady's unchecked ego, which has lead to some bad habits, really shows up in the playoffs when the Patriots play good teams in pressure games.

Look no further than that ridiculous throw to a covered MATTHEW SLATER in the Broncos game. It's the 1st qtr, it's 3rd and 3, the Patriots need to hang onto the ball and try to establish their offense, need to quiet the Broncos crowd and kill the emotional mojo for the Broncos by keeping Manning off the field and Brady throws to a covered special teams player as Danny Amendola sits WIDE OPEN in the middle of the field for a 1st down.

2003 Tom Brady sees a wide open Danny Amendola and hits him with a pass.
2013 Tom Brady throws to covered Matthew Slater for a 3 and out.

Terrible judgment. A very troubling trend with Brady.

Excellent analysis that is bound to ruffle feathers but its so true.

Weis would rip the offense a expletive filled new one if they played this sloppy.
 

Triumph

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Some of you guys aren't going to be satisfied no matter who is OC. Apparently every OC is the worse in the league and has no idea what they're doing. Should hire this guy.

hindsight2.jpg

The NFL is a performance based business.

The lack of scoring in every post season loss is a common theme.
 

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They are hiring Mike Pettine according to this morning's reports. They are talking contract with Pettine.
 
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