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[Toofy]

If you remove the divisional games, it's:

Home - Texans, Colts, Chargers, Rams, Seahawks
Away - Cardinals, Bears, 49ers, Bengals, Jaguars, Titans

Does not seem too bad. 11 teams - 3 of them are playoff teams, 4 of them were only 1 game above .500, and the last 4 had losing records. 2 of the 3 playoff teams are at home. 3 out of 6 away opponents had losing records in 2023. Only one team in this group has a top 10 defense (49ers).

As always, the divisional games have the most importance, but beyond them, this slate is not killer.

Cardinals and titans are the only weaklings. Everyone else is better than us. I don't think we can get a rookie qb to start this year without impeding his development and inducing mental scars and jitterbug responses a la Mac. If our rook will start later part of this year or next year why draft a qb in r1? Maybe trade down to 5 get the best OT and take best developmental qb in r2 / r3.

Though I cannot convince myself of this approach dunno how we are setting up the 1st round qb for success with 0 weapons.

 

[TommyD4207]

Why do we feel Jerod mayo us unqualified while demeco Ryan is perfect.

Don't break something that ain't broken and that one is defense . If Bill leaves and takes his sons do you think you can compete with an entire new OC, DC , ST and rookie QB with the most talentless base . We need Mayo to keep the remaining 50% of team , i.e defense to work at either 80-100% of what it did earlier and revamp offense.

I think all this is because offensively we have not made a hire nor on GM side . So Mayo pick is also gettibg panned.


I personally think for the state we are in right now, we need a stabilizing coach and that's Mayo.

We need to really scout all upcoming wide receiver coaches and college OCs and try to hit a homerun there. We have gone conservative on HC , defense and GM. Time to punt a but on OC and ST.

Anyone panning Mayo before he's even taken the field as a coach is just sour grapes, none of us know how he's going to do.

The people who wanted BB out of here - got what they asked for. The next coach was already going to be Mayo - we already knew that last year.

The nightmare scenario is what's taking place, so far - things could change. I was just fine with firing Belichick, if you were blowing the whole thing up, and starting over from the ground up. I was willing to do that. What's happening now, is that the *only* thing that's different, is they've fired Bill Belichick. Scouting is still the same people. Personnel is still the same people. The people who cried about Steve and Brian Belichick being nepo hires are suddenly fine with them coming back - meaning even less change.

After 4-13, there were two choices, give Belichick one last run with that defense and free reign in the offseason to try to turn it around - OR - blow the whole thing up and start over with new people.

This isn't even a half-measure, it's barely a measure at all. Firing one person, and trashing him on the way out, is not going to get this team to the playoffs.

If this team comes back with Mac Jones as a starter, a backup journeyman QB touted as a big signing, a 'value' WR touted as a big signing, a ton of cap room ready to be rolled over to next year, O'Brien at OC - nothing's going to change at all, nothing.

 

[Toofy]

Anyone panning Mayo before he's even taken the field as a coach is just sour grapes, none of us know how he's going to do.

The people who wanted BB out of here - got what they asked for. The next coach was already going to be Mayo - we already knew that last year.

The nightmare scenario is what's taking place, so far - things could change. I was just fine with firing Belichick, if you were blowing the whole thing up, and starting over from the ground up. I was willing to do that. What's happening now, is that the *only* thing that's different, is they've fired Bill Belichick. Scouting is still the same people. Personnel is still the same people. The people who cried about Steve and Brian Belichick being nepo hires are suddenly fine with them coming back - meaning even less change.

After 4-13, there were two choices, give Belichick one last run with that defense and free reign in the offseason to try to turn it around - OR - blow the whole thing up and start over with new people.

This isn't even a half-measure, it's barely a measure at all. Firing one person, and trashing him on the way out, is not going to get this team to the playoffs.

If this team comes back with Mac Jones as a starter, a backup journeyman QB touted as a big signing, a 'value' WR touted as a big signing, a ton of cap room ready to be rolled over to next year, O'Brien at OC - nothing's going to change at all, nothing.

Agree . But maybe they get a new OC and try to develop the base . I am not yare if jaylen daniels can elevate JAGs but MHJ could elevate Mediocre QB . So it's about what poison pill could you swallow.

If there is one qb who they feel has stroud like potential and falls to 3 maybe we draft them and hope that douglas and boutte become game changers or we draft our Nakua in R4.

 

[TommyD4207]

Agree . But maybe they get a new OC and try to develop the base . I am not yare if jaylen daniels can elevate JAGs but MHJ could elevate Mediocre QB . So it's about what poison pill could you swallow.

If there is one qb who they feel has stroud like potential and falls to 3 maybe we draft them and hope that douglas and boutte become game changers or we draft our Nakua in R4.

That's just wishes and dreams and hopes, though.

Until they get a new OC in here, then it's O'Brien. Until they get a new QB in here, it's Mac, and considering that I believe those were both Kraft choices, that they will be here next year.

Also, if Troy Brown is still on the staff, I don't trust any receiver they bring in to develop at all. With an OC, hopefully they'd bring in a WR coach of their own - but I'm really not too hopeful.

 

[jdlboot14]

I understand the idea of criticizing Troy as being under qualified, or product of nepotism.

But, no one was complaining when KB was excelling, or Meyers improving each year. It was always blamed on bad FA deals, and drafting/importing the wrong WR's. Because Pats WR struggles have gone on since 2004, long before Brown was WR coach.
So, hard to say if Brown sucks, or WR's do... This year, I think it's fair to say it was the personnel.
We all knew Parker was old, JSS is done, TT is busted, Pop & Boutte rookies, Reagor a late addition.
KB was the only legit starter, and played like it until he got hurt.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

 

[Love The Drake]

More news on the staff keep it coming.

 

[Ross12]

Reminder for folks - even if they wanted to promote Steve Belichick or Demarcus Covington, they are required to do one minority external candidate interview due to the Rooney Rule.

 

[Zuma]

Rutgers guy

 

[Love The Drake]

Rutgers guy

Rutgers guy

Mayo

 

[TheRainMaker]

Assuming Steve stays, I will be surprised if he isn’t eventually promoted to DC.

 

[n1997y]

The key is that this is a Kraft's team. Their "way" is to primarily hire from within and build loyalty.

too bad competence is not an equally valued virtue.

 

[n1997y]

I thought Josh might follow Bill, but if he’s open to coming to NE then he would be an excellent choice. He has head coach experience that might be useful for Mayo to lean on, is great with developing young QBs, and is just a better OC than O’Brien IMO. Plus, he isn’t gonna be getting a call to be a head coach again for a long time so you don’t need to worry about him getting poached after a year or two by another team.

I think Josh and Bill likely have already had conversations about where they will both land.

 

[upstater1]

Anyone panning Mayo before he's even taken the field as a coach is just sour grapes, none of us know how he's going to do.

The people who wanted BB out of here - got what they asked for. The next coach was already going to be Mayo - we already knew that last year.

The nightmare scenario is what's taking place, so far - things could change. I was just fine with firing Belichick, if you were blowing the whole thing up, and starting over from the ground up. I was willing to do that. What's happening now, is that the *only* thing that's different, is they've fired Bill Belichick. Scouting is still the same people. Personnel is still the same people. The people who cried about Steve and Brian Belichick being nepo hires are suddenly fine with them coming back - meaning even less change.

After 4-13, there were two choices, give Belichick one last run with that defense and free reign in the offseason to try to turn it around - OR - blow the whole thing up and start over with new people.

This isn't even a half-measure, it's barely a measure at all. Firing one person, and trashing him on the way out, is not going to get this team to the playoffs.

If this team comes back with Mac Jones as a starter, a backup journeyman QB touted as a big signing, a 'value' WR touted as a big signing, a ton of cap room ready to be rolled over to next year, O'Brien at OC - nothing's going to change at all, nothing.

This is my major concern. Everything I've heard or read about Mayo makes him a great choice as a successor. I wish we had continuity for the hand off (completion of a rebuild), but now instead we have a meddlesome front office. I hope Mayo has the ability to survive it. I think he will. My concern is that GMs and personnel guys start feeling the heat when things go badly and they find convenient fall guys.

Watch for the fall guys this year. I hope they don't use Mac as one.

 

[n1997y]

No question about this. Having a small experienced staff with the most experienced coach in the league is understandable. Having a small staff with the least experienced coach in the NFL doesn’t and would indicate decisions in the past were based upon financial not football considerations

That does not necessarily follow.

seems much more likely to be scope of authority / span of control considerations, because those will be greatly different between a highly experienced coach and a relative neophyte. There might also be football considerations if the experienced coach has honed his judgment about what is important and doesn’t pad staff hiring coaches for things he’s found to be insignificant.

 

[Ross12]

I think Josh and Bill likely have already had conversations about where they will both land.

Certainly possible, though Breer reported this morning that it's possible BOB goes with Bill, and Josh may want to stay in New England. Josh might want to prioritize being able to put down long term roots for his family. At this point though I don't think we can say anything for certain.

 

[n1997y]

There was so much more wrong with this team than Bill. And if they keep everything else the same , we will be picking again in the top 5 after next season. I am really starting to dislike Kraft more and more every day. He is no longer the great owner he used to be. He is a bumbling, meddling idiot that needs to retire and stay the hell away. I will never ever think highly of him after the crap he has spewed about BB !

We all need to make a major adjustment and acknowledge it is no longer singular. It is now the Krafts, plural, with Jonathan pulling the strings and Robert becoming a figurehead.

 

[n1997y]

If they are able to turn it around from 4-13 to a playoff berth in 2024 while letting a rookie QB develop on the bench, I'd be happy.

Setting a low bar, eh?

yeah that would seem an acceptable outcome.

 

[n1997y]

Then rules should be changed. For an assistant under contract for a team in the playoffs to be able to move to another team is simply wrong.

"Sorry coach if I wasn't paying attention to the game plan. I have to do some research for my new boss"

The Tuna!

 

[n1997y]

Assuming Steve stays, I will be surprised if he isn’t eventually promoted to DC.

Or assistant HC