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[PWRxWLF]

If Josh comes back, I wonder if they attempt to keep Mac and fix him, even if only for a year while their rookie QB develops. Josh could get him back to his play level as a rookie and get his confidence up. The problem with Mac wasn’t understanding the game, it’s purely confidence and mental. Josh might be able to get him right? Kind of freaking myself out talking about it but I could see it. Or god forbid they… skip the QB entirely, pick up Mac’s 5th year option and go for MHJ…

I have the same concerns as you. It’s psyching me out big time. With the way things are going, I could see the team going OT/WR at the top of the draft, drafting a QB sometime later and trying to fix Ma…./sigh…..trying to fix Mac Jones. The only positive is it would guarantee another top 10 pick in 2025. Imagine the amount of empty seats Kraft would have to fill if this is the ******** they try to run out with next season. Josh McDaniels and Mac Jones PT. 2. Oof!!!

 

[PowerRunRevival]

I hope that Mayo greatly increases the size of the coaching staff. The Pats shouldn't have one of the smallest coaching staffs in the league, the Pats shouldn't have one of the smallest front offices in the league.

Kraft is going to need to be willing to write a bigger check to bring the Pats up to par with the other teams in the league. I saw a report that the Pats were one of the most profitable teams in the league despite being so bad. I hope Kraft is willing to break even on the operations side of thing. The value of the team increases every single year, Kraft should be able to handle a negative cash flow for one year to start the rebuild if he wants to turn things around.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Absolutely the root cause of the problem.

In 2022 we were told Patricia's coaching was absolutely the root cause. In 2023 we are told the QB is absolutely the root cause. But it was the same QB and the offense was better in 2022.

Your root cause makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Pape]

In 2022 we were told Patricia's coaching was absolutely the root cause. In 2023 we are told the QB is absolutely the root cause. But it was the same QB and the offense was better in 2022.

Your root cause makes absolutely no sense.

Okay then.

Don't know what else to say besides break it down for me. Tell me why I'm wrong instead of just telling me I'm wrong.

 

[Ring 6]

I hope that Mayo greatly increases the size of the coaching staff. The Pats shouldn't have one of the smallest coaching staffs in the league, the Pats shouldn't have one of the smallest front offices in the league.

Kraft is going to need to be willing to write a bigger check to bring the Pats up to par with the other teams in the league. I saw a report that the Pats were one of the most profitable teams in the league despite being so bad. I hope Kraft is willing to break even on the operations side of thing. The value of the team increases every single year, Kraft should be able to handle a negative cash flow for one year to start the rebuild if he wants to turn things around.

No question about this. Having a small experienced staff with the most experienced coach in the league is understandable. Having a small staff with the least experienced coach in the NFL doesn’t and would indicate decisions in the past were based upon financial not football considerations

 

[Ring 6]

In 2022 we were told Patricia's coaching was absolutely the root cause. In 2023 we are told the QB is absolutely the root cause. But it was the same QB and the offense was better in 2022.

Your root cause makes absolutely no sense.

The qb absolutely was the root cause. The 2022 team overcame the deficiency a little better than the 2023 team did.

 

[DarrylS]

What about BOB? From my view he was sandwiched between a coach who lost his fastball and offensive talent which the University of Rhode Island defense could give problems.

As abysmal as the O was, did not see a lot of creativity to try make things different. He seemed stale and predictable, perhaps it was due to the lack of talent or maybe his ship has sailed.
Wasn't he also designated Mac Jones coach as well??

 

[RobertWeathers]

As abysmal as the O was, did not see a lot of creativity to try make things different. He seemed stale and predictable, perhaps it was due to the lack of talent or maybe his ship has sailed.

Points taken. I didn't see any creativity either.

Wasn't he also designated Mac Jones coach as well??

If we are to measure BOB based on Mac he should be relieved of his duties. However I don't think it's all on BOB

 

[ralmat55]

I’ve really got to give Andy credit. Him and the rest of the palace guard. His King/God has been dethroned, exiled and is NEVER coming back, but he’s still fighting the good fight scapegoating and throwing people under the bus in defense of his 4-13 god.

 

[Ring 6]

I’ve really got to give Andy credit. Him and the rest of the palace guard. His King/God has been dethroned, exiled and is NEVER coming back, but he’s still fighting the good fight scapegoating and throwing people under the bus in defense of his 4-13 god.

Just spitting facts

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The qb absolutely was the root cause. The 2022 team overcame the deficiency a little better than the 2023 team did.

Then Patricia was not the problem in 2022? Just like O'Brien was not the problem in 2023? The Pats fired Patricia, and O'Brien was worse, so I guess O'Brien is going to get fired. That must be why McDaniels is everywhere at Gillette.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Okay then.

Don't know what else to say besides break it down for me. Tell me why I'm wrong instead of just telling me I'm wrong.

Either Mac was the problem in 2022 and 2023, or the coaching was the problem in both years. If coaching was the problem, then O'Brien will be fired like Patricia was fired. I am only saying we need to be consistent. You can pick either option as the root cause.

 

[Ring 6]

Then Patricia was not the problem in 2022? Just like O'Brien was not the problem in 2023? The Pats fired Patricia, and O'Brien was worse, so I guess O'Brien is going to get fired. That must be why McDaniels is everywhere at Gillette.

So 10 was certainly the problem. Patricia did a better job running an offense in spite of him.
It’s debatable who would have done better with an adequate QB.

Patricia was a stopgap who was never going to stay in that role.

I’m not sure what your point is, but from my pov it’s hard to fire OBrien over results happening with the worst qb room in the league

If you intend to into 2024 with 10 as your qb, you might as well fire BOB rather than subject him to that again.

 

[Ring 6]

Either Mac was the problem in 2022 and 2023, or the coaching was the problem in both years. If coaching was the problem, then O'Brien will be fired like Patricia was fired. I am only saying we need to be consistent. You can pick either option as the root cause.

10 was the problem. Whether the coaching was ALSO a problem is debatable because they had no chance.

 

[The Gr8est]

If Josh comes back, I wonder if they attempt to keep Mac and fix him, even if only for a year while their rookie QB develops. Josh could get him back to his play level as a rookie and get his confidence up. The problem with Mac wasn’t understanding the game, it’s purely confidence and mental. Josh might be able to get him right? Kind of freaking myself out talking about it but I could see it. Or god forbid they… skip the QB entirely, pick up Mac’s 5th year option and go for MHJ…

An advantage to this narrative is that it adds uncertainly to the draft about what the Pats want to do in the draft.

Keeping the other teams unsure of the Pats’ plan could be useful.

 

[Pape]

Either Mac was the problem in 2022 and 2023, or the coaching was the problem in both years. If coaching was the problem, then O'Brien will be fired like Patricia was fired. I am only saying we need to be consistent. You can pick either option as the root cause.

You can separate 2022 and 2023.

In 2022 there was a major problem with the way Matt Patricia was calling the offense. He had predictable patterns to his play calling, which made it easier for defenses to make adjustments based on in game down & distance situations.

This year BoB ran a pretty vanilla offense. There were enough differences though that you can't really fault the oc. I do not like Bill ob. I'd be happy if he was gone. But he wasn't the problem. The way Mac was playing was. He played like he had zero trust in his receivers. It gutted most timing type plays because he was holding on to the ball until he saw receivers get open. Ya can't do that. Stuff like that gets noticed and leads to pick 6s ... And we don't need to go over the poor passes leading to the ints, do we?


His pocket awareness was practically non existent. It became more evident when Zappe got the nod. I don't know what happened to Mac, but he was a shell of his former self, and it showed on the field.

So yes this year the root cause of the offensive woes was the QB play. That does not mean there aren't other factors that played into it. The line was in flux all year; the receivers were mediocre at best. But the quarterback play was just plain bad.

 

[Foxypats]

Hahaha this team is gonna STINK unless they miraculously hit on an elite QB, this isn’t a plan or a new era this is just being sick of Bill and changing him and nothing else.

Same old overly complex offense that is too complicated for young WRs and out of date in the modern NFL, same crappy front office, same crappy coaches, woof.

There was so much more wrong with this team than Bill. And if they keep everything else the same , we will be picking again in the top 5 after next season. I am really starting to dislike Kraft more and more every day. He is no longer the great owner he used to be. He is a bumbling, meddling idiot that needs to retire and stay the hell away. I will never ever think highly of him after the crap he has spewed about BB !

 

[Peachhead]

I hope it's going to be:
OC Josh McDaniels - But I worry he's going to follow BB to his next destination
DC Steve Belichick - But I also think he follows BB
ST Matthew Slater - I wonder if he can and would go straight from playing to coaching
WR - I love Troy Brown the player. But I'm not all that keen on him as a coach
OL - Carmen Bricillo and Ryan Wendell aren't available so I have no earthly idea.I'd love to get the OL coach from Michigan. But that's unlikely. Whoever the OC wants, I guess.

 

[*ChungFu*]

The only 2023 coach that I can't be talked into is Klemm Kadiddlehopper

 

[skinnydog]

If Josh comes back, I wonder if they attempt to keep Mac and fix him, even if only for a year while their rookie QB develops. Josh could get him back to his play level as a rookie and get his confidence up. The problem with Mac wasn’t understanding the game, it’s purely confidence and mental. Josh might be able to get him right? Kind of freaking myself out talking about it but I could see it. Or god forbid they… skip the QB entirely, pick up Mac’s 5th year option and go for MHJ…

I thought the offense really protected rookie Mac and did not ask him to do to much. Rookie Mac might lead a team to the playoffs as a wild card, but not win in the playoffs.