PATRIOTS NEWS Mayo negotiations + OC interviews next week

[Ring 6]

It was reported all over the place that the Pats were implementing a more zone based running scheme and plays this summer. They abandoned it during the season when it didn't work. Curran wrote and spoke about it, Zo spoke about, etc... You seem to be the only person dying on the "it's the same offence they always ran" hill.

They have run zone blocking schemes forever. As I said at the time, they may or may not use it more frequently this year, and the surely were considering it so they focussed nuts on it in camp. This is similar to things they do every year. If they feel they may want to increase the use of something they install it early and spend extra time on it.
By all means if you disagree with what I am saying actually happened, go to the game film and show me clips of all the things they did this year that they never did before.
Surely if they “changed the offense” there should be a plethora of examples from every game and even every drive to back you up.

 

[Ring 6]

I believe Curran had conversations with Mayo or his camp in the past on this issue and that is how he interpreted it. Sometimes those sources say “don’t quote me“or “off the record”. So you use terms such as “my understanding” or“my belief” out if respect of your source.
But this is splitting hairs and but yes open for interpretation. Yours is the glass is half empty mine is the glass is half full

No. We are talking about a claim of how the defensive coaching was done.
A claim that people say was “right from mayos mouth”.

Curran’s “belief” of how he thought “Mayos camp” felt isn’t close to a breakdown from the coaches of what their responsibilities were.

It is potentially flawed by:
-was Curran told this “believe” or is he guessing
-who is an assistant coaches “camp”
-what does “did more of the coordinating mean”
-“did more of the coordinating” doesn’t mean Mayo coordinated the defense and Steve just called the plays, it is way vaguer than that.


I’m looking for confirmation of how they divided the jobs.
Curran’s “belief” isn’t that.
As far as the rest are you honestly saying “my belief is that the Mayo camp feels” is protecting a source? Mayo is Mayos camp. He didn’t quote Mayo, but attributed his feeling to what he thinks Mayo feels.

 

[captain stone]

I don’t think BB opens his world to anyone.
Nike probably gets the most insight with Steve second

Brian third, and a tie between Linda & Amanda for fourth...

 

[venecol]

Looks like Andy is back to form. Man, it was a nice few months w/o having to put up w/ his meaningless arguments just to claim he's right. What a douche.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

They probably told Jerod we want you to be a big part of our program going forward, whether that means DC or assistant HC don't think it really matters. Pay him big and a lot of responsibilty.

The press release said keeping Mayo long term . The only way to keep him long term, in my opinion, is to make him the HC aim the near future. There is no way Mayo stays here for 5 years as a DC. He wants to be a HC.

My guess is the plan is: Bill retires in 2 years at the end of the 2024 season after he passes Shula and Mayo takes over.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I believe Curran had conversations with Mayo or his camp in the past on this issue and that is how he interpreted it. Sometimes those sources say “don’t quote me“or “off the record”. So you use terms such as “my understanding” or“my belief” out if respect of your source.
But this is splitting hairs and but yes open for interpretation. Yours is the glass is half empty mine is the glass is half full

Curran and Mayo were working together at NBC sports Boston after Mayo retired. My guess is they are close .

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

You like LaFleur? You think he is good?

No to both questions but can’t really judge him and say he is the worst oc when he has to work with Zach Wilson
Qb play matters the most and it’s hard to turn what looks like a bust now into gold

I think he can coach the offense
The rb hall was very good, his injury hurt them, Garrett Wilson had the most receiving yards of all rookie wr

 

[Deus Irae]

I sit up in the Lower ring at the games
Great vantage point. I never watch the QB after I know it is a pass play. I would immediately look for where the WR separation was forming and knew where the ball would go.
While I was watching I would count in my head knowing you have max 5 seconds

This year there hardly ever was any separation and Mac was feeling pressure within 2-3 seconds. The pressure I would would watch on replay.

I just knew the system sucked from play calling to overall structure. I know we need an overhaul at OL. But I think they even screwed up their system

One of the other problems was, reportedly, that the ability to change plays, shift protections, and the like was severely restricted. One reporter (I forget which one) talked about this blowing up plays that had been blocked fine last year, because Andrews would have just shifted the protection, but couldn't do that this season.

So, from the combination of our eyes and the local media reports, we see...

System problems? Yes
Play calling problems? Yes
In game adjustment problems? Yes
On-field adjustment problems because of coaching decisions/mandates? Yes

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

One of the other problems was, reportedly, that the ability to change plays, shift protections, and the like was severely restricted. One reporter (I forget which one) talked about this blowing up plays that had been blocked fine last year, because Andrews would have just shifted the protection, but couldn't do that this season.

So, from the combination of our eyes and the local media reports, we see...

System problems? Yes
Play calling problems? Yes
In game adjustment problems? Yes
On-field adjustment problems because of coaching decisions/mandates? Yes

Thanks. I am always skeptical of local reporters when it is a "WTF" type of situation that is reported. Seems like a too stupid to be true coaching decision, so it might not be true IMO.

 

[Rob0729]

Krafts definitely told him they want him to be the next HC

I am not so sure about that. Mayo may be only being interviewed by the Panthers to fulfill the Rooney Rule requirement and he knows he isn’t getting the job. He might have only been doing it to boost his exposure for future head coaching jobs. But the Patriots making a hard public push to keep him is accomplishing the same goal.

I don’t think the Pats will promise the head coaching job while Belichick is still coaching. They are going to keep their options open.

 

[PScottman]

You may be right. The NFL is discouraging the grooming and promotion of teams own minority coaches. Weird.

Not weird at all, in fact, it's very on brand for the NFL to have no clue as to concepts of "2d and 3d order effects" or "outcome based analytics".

They take an issue, usually but not exclusively driven by the sports media, and instead of examination of how to actually get to the desired outcome instead usually end up instituting something that satisfies only that self-same media.

 

[Love The Drake]

Joe Lombardi entered the chat for possible OC.
The Chargers offense never looked amazing but they were methodical and never looked undisciplined this season.

 

[Ross12]

I am not so sure about that. Mayo may be only being interviewed by the Panthers to fulfill the Rooney Rule requirement and he knows he isn’t getting the job. He might have only been doing it to boost his exposure for future head coaching jobs. But the Patriots making a hard public push to keep him is accomplishing the same goal.

I don’t think the Pats will promise the head coaching job while Belichick is still coaching. They are going to keep their options open.

I really have a hard time seeing Bill doing more than 3 more years, especially after a hard year like this. They have to be thinking about the succession plan. I mean, they were with McDaniels and that was over 5 years ago.

 

[Thelonious]

This is complicated, eh? Will Bill pick some oddball candidate just to show how d----d outside-the-box brilliant he is? (As in the season just concluded.) Just how compromised will Bill's thinking be by the fact his son, named after his beloved father, might well be adversely affected by any changes? What will be the dynamic over the next few years when Bill's staff begins to maneuver and manipulate in light of Bill's time growing short, the identity of his successor unknown and presumably up for grabs? Just how many on staff (or elsewhere) will be given an impression they are in the mix as Bill's replacement? Will the Krafts continue to press Bill to yield up more say-so in various areas: GM stuff, staff building, openness with fans/press, and so on? At some point, the Kraft's relationship with Bill will inevitably come to be seen in the context of Bill's leaving. How much authority and say, then, will Bill be granted in this transition, particularly given the complications afforded by various of Bill's children wandering around the scene? How much autonomy will the new OC have? Any candidate with half a brain will seek assurance he will not have to endure interference from all the d----d FOB's stumbling around the office in search of a job title.

Then there is the dizzying array of options for the OC job. I have a feeling, one entirely unsupported by any evidence, that Bill O'Brien will not be the guy. I suspect Bill B. might see him as too strong-willed, and I suspect O'Brien might be wary of all the potential for drama you find in ANY situation where an absolute autocrat approaches the end of his rule. Such transitions are never tidy.

I bought a new guitar recently. I couldn't decide which of two to buy. In the end, frustrated with my inability to pick one or the other, I bought an entirely different one (a Godin). "And thus the native hue of resolution is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought." - Hamlet. I'm an overthinker; I suspect Bill might be as well. Sometimes such knuckleheads get sick of all the reflection, and just leap at something, hoping to still all those thoughts pingponging around the old skull. (The Jets organization has been built upon such avoidance of thought for a while now. Witness, for example, the Zack Wilson fiasco.) Time will tell on my new guitar.

The OC darkhorse who intrigues me is Chad O'Shea. If I ever come upon any rational basis for this, I'll get back to you.

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[Rob0729]

I really have a hard time seeing Bill doing more than 3 more years, especially after a hard year like this. They have to be thinking about the succession plan. I mean, they were with McDaniels and that was over 5 years ago.

I don’t know if the Krafts especially Jonathan believe in a succession plan at all. They may may feel that once Belichick is done, they are going to replace him with the best head coaching candidate available even if he isn’t in house.

What if the year Belichick leaves, Kyle Shanahan is available and wants to coach the Patriots. Are you going to stay in house or get a coach has proven he can win at a high level with any QB?

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

One of the other problems was, reportedly, that the ability to change plays, shift protections, and the like was severely restricted. One reporter (I forget which one) talked about this blowing up plays that had been blocked fine last year, because Andrews would have just shifted the protection, but couldn't do that this season.

So, from the combination of our eyes and the local media reports, we see...

System problems? Yes
Play calling problems? Yes
In game adjustment problems? Yes
On-field adjustment problems because of coaching decisions/mandates? Yes

I usually have a lot of patience. This year I was pulling my hair out.
Total failure on BB’s part. Still have confidence in him. He can just be so stubborn at times which cost us a few SB’s and a years development on Mac’s future. If he is the guy time will tell but at least that extra year would have given us a better guage

 

[Ross12]

I don’t know if the Krafts especially Jonathan believe in a succession plan at all. They may may feel that once Belichick is done, they are going to replace him with the best head coaching candidate available even if he isn’t in house.

What if the year Belichick leaves, Kyle Shanahan is available and wants to coach the Patriots. Are you going to stay in house or get a coach has proven he can win at a high level with any QB?

I think they may be trying to put their eggs in a couple baskets. Obviously in the above scenario then your succession plan may go out the window, but it’s a lot more likely that when Bill hangs them up, there won’t be any clearly great candidates and so it’s wiser to go with the home grown guy you know.

I mean if Bill hung them up today, there’s no such candidate out there.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Brian third, and a tie between Linda & Amanda for fourth...

Linda’s Bust will be retired in Canton

 

[Real fan 02]

your conclusion is pure speculation by yourself to prove your point

just because the kraft's interfered after this season, doesn't make patricia the worst OC
It means he wasn't up to our standards
But it still leaves the possibility of a worse OC on some other team

That fact that anyone is even referring to Patricia as an offense coordinator is mind blowing in itself to me.. we all know he wasn't cut out for the job.. the statistics, the eye test, the dysfunction on offense is all telling... he and judge are yes men they aren't going to say no to whatever BB ask of them.. Kraft interfering is another telling thing that the jig is up.. we need talent on the staff, the roster like we've always had!

 

[Rob0729]

I think they may be trying to put their eggs in a couple baskets. Obviously in the above scenario then your succession plan may go out the window, but it’s a lot more likely that when Bill hangs them up, there won’t be any clearly great candidates and so it’s wiser to go with the home grown guy you know.

I mean if Bill hung them up today, there’s no such candidate out there.

We don’t know what intel they may have about coordinators or assistants around the league that may not be apparent to us. There could be a guy on another staff that is flying under radar from us who they think could be the next great head coach.