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Maurice Jones-Drew up for trade

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MJD will start the season with the Jags this year and under his current contract, with possibly a minor face saving small sweetener.
 
Thanks for regurgitating the points we've already agreed upon.

Your smarmy response is duly noted.


You stated that you thought that he hasn't been used excessively; I disagree. I'm not really sure why rushes count but receptions don't on the odometer.


Apologies for interrupting your private conversation and for not agreeing wholeheartedly with your viewpoint.
 
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Your smarmy response is duly noted.


You stated that you thought that he hasn't been used excessively; I disagree. I'm not really sure why rushes count but receptions don't on the odometer.


Apologies for interrupting your private conversation and for not agreeing wholeheartedly with your viewpoint.

My response was smarmy and I do apologize: It was very late ~ I sleep days ~ and I was irritable.

You did argue a point I'd already clearly agreed with, however.
 
A tremendous Argument, my friend.

And I do have a Rebuttal.

"Shortens their careers", you say?

Relative to what, my good man?

Do you think that the Jaguars paid Drew $21,550,000 for 3 years to play part time?

Of course not.

The understanding was that he was about to become the starting Running Back.

He's been averaging 318 Runs a year, since then ~ not light, by any means, but certainly not excessive for a Starter.

And he's been well paid.

Yes, it's universally understood that sustaining that level of workload will produce a substantially shorter career than that of a part timer, like, say...Kevin Faulk...

No doubt about it.

But when did Kevin Faulk ever get a $31,000,000/5 Year contract?

In fact, I doubt that Kevin Faulk made $31,000,000 his entire career.

"Not at the same skill level", you say?

My GOD...You're right.

Another example ~ far closer to Drew's skill level ~ is the explosive Darren Sproles.

Sproles is pulling down about $3,500,000 a year ~ a little more than half of what Drew's 5 year contract calls for, and just about exactly half of what he's pulled down over the first 3 years of it.

Do you really think that Sproles ~ by sustaining a lighter work load ~ is going to be able to play well enough for long enough to sustain that pay level for almost twice as long as Drew?

In fact, do you think that Drew would've been content, 3 years ago, to sign the $14 Million/4 Year contract that Sproles is currently playing under, with the expectation of continuing to share the workload, 50/50, with someone, as he'd done for his first few years?

Or do you think he'd've told the Jaguars to go pound sand, finished his Rookie Contract, and then gone out and sought out a team that would make him the 318 Carries a Year Starter and then pay him accordingly, to the tune of, oh...say 5 Years and $31,000,000??

That's fair, but Sproles doesn't make much sense as a comparable. He had well under half as many touches as MJD did last season, and I don't think anyone's talking about cutting MJD's workload in half. A better comp, IMO, might be Lesean McCoy. Over the past 2 seasons, he's had 285 and 321 touches (vs. 333 and 386 for MJD), and now word out of Philly all offseason has been that they're going to make sure to reduce his touches this season. Why's that? Because they just signed him to a 5 year, $45 million contract. The timing of that is no coincidence: they control him long-term at big money, and now they suddenly care about his ability to hold up until he's 29. It's the same with MJD: if the team held his rights for the next 5 years, that would dramatically shift their philosophy on how much to use him.

Same with Ray Rice. He's averaged 356 touches over the past three seasons, and two months ago he signed a five year, $40 million deal. Now that the Ravens actually have a vested interest in keeping him productive until he's 30, I'm willing to bet that his total touches will drop by at least 50, maybe more.

Basically, the worst-case scenario is Chris Johnson. In his first three seasons, he had 294, 408 (!!), and 356 touches. Like MJD, he wisely demanded his big contract, probably figuring that at that rate he'd be a diminished player before he ever hit free agency. Looks like he was right, because the Titans give Johnson his 4 year, $53 million extension, give him $30 million in guarantees, and in 2011 his total touches even 'dropped' to 319. Judging by his career-worst performance, though, it's fair to wonder if it may already be too late. Same with Adrian Peterson -- the Vikings didn't worry about sustainability of his production until they had him under long-term control, and by then they'd already overused him.

I expect that front offices will learn from the Johnson and AP, and the players themselves will too by demanding their big money even earlier. MJD is a bit different, since technically he's seeing his 'big' money now, and that makes me less sympathetic to his case than to someone like Johnson's. I still get where he's coming from, though, because workhorse RBs might be the only subset of players in the league whose shelf life is so short that, even if they consistently perform as All Pros on their rookie or second contract, the nature of the role will likely wear them down before they can get to free agency and have their compensation adjusted to reflect this level of performance. As a result, they almost have to play hardball if they want to be paid fairly for their production.

If I was an NFL running back, got drafted by the Rams in the second round, and got 700 touches over my first two seasons with Pro Bowl production (since Jeff Fisher is notorious for burning out his running backs), I wouldn't wait to the end of my rookie contract. I'd absolutely hold out, on the grounds that every 300+ touch season was dramatically reducing my future earning potential.[ Young stud WRs can wait it out, because barring major injury they have a 10 year window of upper-tier production to make their money. Workhorse running backs don't have that luxury. I understand why you and some others disagree with that philosophy, but IMO all bets are off when the team starts using you in a way that conclusively shows that they're willing to sacrifice your longevity for their own benefit.

1 ~ My friend, Coaches have been talking about reducing the workloads of O Backs for decades.

Decades, I tells ya.

But it very rarely actually happens.

And you think that investing all that money in McCoy means that the Eagles are going to use him less?

2 ~ Christopher Johnson doesn't make sense as a comparable: He was on a rookie contract.

I've never posted a word against an O Back holding out on a rookie contract.

3 ~ Mojo Drew already got paid for exactly what he's been doing. Caveat Emptor, Baby.

And now he's reneging.

I have no sympathy for the man.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one, Brother Jam. Peace.
 
wait a minute...was THAT smarmy?...or right now you're NOT smarmy?...but later this evening into early morning you WILL be smarmy?...I really need to know...I got this package of English muffins I need to use up and I'm fresh out of smarmalade...
 
wait a minute...was THAT smarmy?...or right now you're NOT smarmy?...but later this evening into early morning you WILL be smarmy?...I really need to know...I got this package of English muffins I need to use up and I'm fresh out of smarmalade...

I am beset by occasional periods of Smarminess, coupled with periodic occasions of Smarminess.

It ain't easy being me.
 
2 ~ Christopher Johnson doesn't make sense as a comparable: He was on a rookie contract.

I've never posted a word against an O Back holding out on a rookie contract.

That's fair, and I don't totally disagree. Don't totally agree either, but I definitely see where you're coming from.
 
Brady+ Chandler Jones ......for........Luck+Freeney+IND 2013 1st rounder

Would you do it?
 
Hope MJD works things out with Jacksonville... poor team can't catch a break. Probably the least interesting team in the league - to the point that nobody cares about them enough to hate them or love them.
 
I would LOVE him on this team, but it won't happen. A team I could really see making a push is the Lions, they haven't kept a RB healthy in years.

... that's what a lot of Lions fans were thinking/hoping for when the news broke, but it's been pointed out, a) that RBs (some, not all) start to decline after reaching the 800 - 1000 carry plateau and MJD has had 1400+ touches, b) he's going to want a new, bigger contract, c) salary cap, d) will have to give up too much for him, ie first round pick ... so it likely won't happen for Detroit, <sigh> ... all's I want for Christmas is a running back ... and maybe a shutdown corner ... or a safety ... just someone back there that can tackle & cover.
 
... that's what a lot of Lions fans were thinking/hoping for when the news broke, but it's been pointed out, a) that RBs (some, not all) start to decline after reaching the 800 - 1000 carry plateau and MJD has had 1400+ touches, b) he's going to want a new, bigger contract, c) salary cap, d) will have to give up too much for him, ie first round pick ... so it likely won't happen for Detroit, <sigh> ... all's I want for Christmas is a running back ... and maybe a shutdown corner ... or a safety ... just someone back there that can tackle & cover.

You had better change that to "all I want for Labor Day...".
 
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