Matt Cassell=Kyle Orton

[emoney_33]

Some of the members of this forum are shell shocked after the

loss of Tom Brady. They have delusions that Bill Belichick can

convert Matt Cassel into a serviceable quarterback who will lead

the Pats to the playoffs and maybe the Superbowl. The sad fact

is that the majority of the teams in the AFC have a better quarterback

than Matt Cassel.

You have delusions that you can see into the future or evaluate a player with minimal data. BB has been coaching Cassel to be a serviceable QB since he was drafted. Now he has a chance, with great coaching, to grow into a serviceable role and be a PART of helping a great team get deep in the playoffs.

The majority of the teams may have more experienced QBs, and maybe you can even argue better production as of right now in the passing game, but it's only week 4. Cassel has room to grow, the O-Line must improve, the red zone offense will improve, the D will be good etc...

Cassel only needs to do his job, he doesn't need to go all willy nilly like Favre. Cassel CAN and hopefully will become a good part of an entire team effort.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

It is MY OPINION that Belichick took a gamble with the back-up QB situation... and lost. I also know he will do his best to make it work.....but you would have to be a blind homer to not understand that the defense has to step up and take charge here because the chances of the offense taking over a game are nil to none.

When was the last time a team won an NFL championship when their defense didn't step up because their offense took over a game? I'd rather be a homer (fan of a team with 3 rings) than just plain blind...

 

[patsgo]

Jeez,

Don't you watch the games any?

Stallworth isn't here CJAX was cut, and Jabbar Gaffney has been hurt, along with Ben Watson. It has been a 2 man show so far, Moss and Welker.

What kind of "fan" are you, if you don't know that makes it a lot easier to double or triple cover Randy?

To all other so called Fans. The best you have in 2009 is Cassel. Cassell is what you have. Cassel is what you are going to have this year. Get over it, and hope he will succeed.

cjax had o receptions last year, gaffney has played every game, watson was hurt alot last year and missed a number of games , i suggest you get your facts staight before posting, i call you a dumbass fan

 

[signbabybrady]

It is MY OPINION that Belichick took a gamble with the back-up QB situation... and lost. I also know he will do his best to make it work.....but you would have to be a blind homer to not understand that the defense has to step up and take charge here because the chances of the offense taking over a game are nil to none.

I dont think he intentionally gambled I just think that is the way it worked out. QBs cost money and there are not enough good options out there. The Patriots had their starting QB so it would have been capunwise to throw anything but back up money at QBs. And lets face it if you were that good why would you accept being a back up to Brady? Also we drafted a guy in the 3rd round so its not like he ignored it. Just unfortunate that it happened so early in the year.

Now if you want to say that he should have grabbed a vet that monday after the Chiefs game you might be right but there still was crap out there and I am not sure we are not better off with Cassel and if he fails O'Connel.

 

[emoney_33]

It is MY OPINION that Belichick took a gamble with the back-up QB situation... and lost. I also know he will do his best to make it work.....but you would have to be a blind homer to not understand that the defense has to step up and take charge here because the chances of the offense taking over a game are nil to none.

Please explain to me why you believe Cassel as backup was a gamble. Also explain to me other choices that were not gambles. It's ok to have an opinion like this, but I'm just wondering what basis you have for it?

Was there a better value option for backup QB the last couple of years, and anyone who is not a proven failure or mediocre QB? What should BB have done instead of taking this "gamble"?

 

[Lifer]

If he develops under BB, probably at best he would be like Kyle Orton (aka game manager).

His ceiling is not very high

What a shame to waste a Randy Moss season in his prime on this QB

what is your solution?? What is your plan to acquire a Pro Bowl QB?

 

[ALP]

Jeez,

Don't you watch the games any?

Stallworth isn't here CJAX was cut, and Jabbar Gaffney has been hurt, along with Ben Watson. It has been a 2 man show so far, Moss and Welker.

What kind of "fan" are you, if you don't know that makes it a lot easier to double or triple cover Randy?

To all other so called Fans. The best you have in 2009 is Cassel. Cassell is what you have. Cassel is what you are going to have this year. Get over it, and hope he will succeed.

In case that needs repeating, here you go:

To all other so called Fans. The best you have in 2009 is Cassel. Cassell is what you have. Cassel is what you are going to have this year. Get over it, and hope he will succeed

 

[ALP]

cjax had o receptions last year, gaffney has played every game, watson was hurt alot last year and missed a number of games , i suggest you get your facts staight before posting, i call you a dumbass fan

who the hell are you?

 

[Deus Irae]

Since people are posting thread after thread about the same thing, I'll put for a request that I made on one of the 400 other "Cassel sucks" threads:

...Kindly list for me all the quarterbacks who:

were available (retired and/or on other teams don't count, therefore) for backup money

are clearly better than backup quarterbacks

were willing to be a backup to Brady

would fit the Patriots systems, on and off the field

AND

could pretty clearly have taken the team to Super Bowl contention if Tom Brady had gone down in the opening minutes of the first game of the Patriots season.

 

[emoney_33]

Since people are posting thread after thread about the same thing, I'll put for a request that I made on one of the 400 other "Cassel sucks" threads:

And you know you will get no answers. The people who claim Cassel sucks aren't real knowledgeable nor do they have any perspective. They have spoiled-brat out-of-this-world levels of expectations and are dead-set in "proving" they are right and BB is wrong.

 

[Jimke]

what is your solution?? What is your plan to acquire a Pro Bowl QB?

I'm not the one who started this thread but I'd like to comment

anyway. There is no solution for 2008 except to ride it out with

Matt Cassel and hope for the best. The long term solution is Kevin

O'Connell who looks promising.

The trouble with the 2008 team is that it has a few more problems than

a new quarterback. The Pats have a rookie MLB who is receiving on the

job training, and gaping holes at right guard and cornerback. The Pats

miss Neal and Samuel.

 

[mb6592]

cjax had o receptions last year, gaffney has played every game, watson was hurt alot last year and missed a number of games , i suggest you get your facts staight before posting, i call you a dumbass fan

I was like CJAX??? WTF????

 

[emoney_33]

I'm not the one who started this thread but I'd like to comment

anyway. There is no solution for 2008 except to ride it out with

Matt Cassel and hope for the best. The long term solution is Kevin

O'Connell who looks promising.

The trouble with the 2008 team is that it has a few more problems than

a new quarterback. The Pats have a rookie MLB who is receiving on the

job training, and gaping holes at right guard and cornerback. The Pats

miss Neal and Samuel.

So far the on the job training hasn't seemed to hurt a ton and Mayo has played every snap. Seau is always a possibility down the line, and it is only going to help this team to have Mayo be so much more experienced in the 2nd half. I just wonder how much he can continue to play every snap and not be worn out down the stretch.

The pats definitely miss Neal.... not so much Samuel. The right side of the O-Line has issues and we don't have superman Brady to mask a lot of issues. Hopefully Scarnecchia can help improve things in that O-Line soon so Cassel doesn't get killed. And then maybe Neal can come back and not get re-injured this year, that would be amazing.

As for the CB, I don't see the holes that you are seeing. We've had really good play from our CBs so far. I don't think the CBs were responsible for the middle zones last week against the Doofins and that was a total team collapse anyway. Getting the middle zones worked out I think is the biggest problem in our pass defense right now. Whether that be the LBs or Safeties, hopefully that doesn't continue to be a trend. I don't know how many more TEs I can watch over the middle before I explode in frustration, even if it may be unwarranted and hypocritical

 

[mb6592]

I dont think he intentionally gambled I just think that is the way it worked out. QBs cost money and there are not enough good options out there. The Patriots had their starting QB so it would have been capunwise to throw anything but back up money at QBs. And lets face it if you were that good why would you accept being a back up to Brady? Also we drafted a guy in the 3rd round so its not like he ignored it. Just unfortunate that it happened so early in the year.

Excellent post. I don't understand why all those who have taken a wait and see approach don't at least acknowledge that the doomsayers, while definitely early, most likely will be proved right. Why bash them as ignorant, unscientific (Jesus, do we have an overrepresentation of statisticians on this board or what?)? I pray Cassel improves - but the TREND is scary!!!!!

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

Orton has no arm. Cassell has a strong arm. Cassell can run. Orton can't. Poor comparison.

I don't know man, Orton threw a couple on a rope last night i thought (maybe 'on a rope' is too strong but his ball seemed to have a bit of velocity...)

 

[emoney_33]

Excellent post. I don't understand why all those who have taken a wait and see approach don't at least acknowledge that the doomsayers, while definitely early, most likely will be proved right.

HUH

Even if Cassel never improves, regresses and eventually sucks for his career, it doesn't mean any of the doom and gloomers had any sort of legit foresight. It's just hating and bashing and wishing for BB to be wrong without any basis in fact. Just like a broken clock is still right twice a day...

Why bash them as ignorant, unscientific (Jesus, do we have an overrepresentation of statisticians on this board or what?)? I pray Cassel improves - but the TREND is scary!!!!!

What TREND?

 

[PittPatriot]

Patjew.

Being a fan is not investment banking or rocket science.
There is no rule regarding the minimum data set necessary to base an opinion.

Regarding calling this "ignorant" , I would say that is very harsh....You could say it is based on limited information...but "ignorant" ...

My opinion is based on what I have seen of MattCassell in three years, the preseason and 4 regular season games.

Its opinion that is all.

MC will not bthe quarterback of this team passed midseason...I can promise you that.

I stopped reading at 'investment banking' and 'rocket science.'
I have never seen both of those fields in the same sentence. Anyway, how's the Barclay job treating you?

 

[D-Money]

I see a 9-7 record or 10-6 most likely and a first round exit in the playoffs with Cassel at the helm.I seen enough of Cassel to think that the guy is average.I thought for sure that this team would be looking for a QB during this bye.Kevin O'Connell doesnt have experience yet.

 

[emoney_33]

I see a 9-7 record or 10-6 most likely and a first round exit in the playoffs with Cassel at the helm.I seen enough of Cassel to think that the guy is average.I thought for sure that this team would be looking for a QB during this bye.Kevin O'Connell doesnt have experience yet.

Keep fooling yourself into thinking that 3 meaningful games is enough to determine how good/bad any young QB is, especially when you only see the TV feed.

The fact that you thought the team would be looking for a QB at the bye shows how little you actually do know. If they didn't have faith in Cassel he wouldn't have been the backup for two friggin years in a row. The front office always does its due dilligence, and for two straight years felt Cassel was the best option, taking EVERYTHING into consideration, for backup QB. And backup QB also means "starter if Brady goes down". It doesn't mean "hold the clipboard, then if we need a QB go make a trade". WTF is the point of a backup?

 

[D-Money]

I see what i see and the guy is average!!!!!!!!!!!I just think they think Cassel will turn it around and i just dont see it.We will see who was right.