Mark Daniels on the fall of Mac Jones

[Rob0729]

I mean, the Zappe Pats got shut out. At home. By the Chargers. When the D played out of their minds.

He was intercepted three times vs the Bills and it could have easily been five or six times if not for defender drops.

 

[borg]

Nope, those idiots are still there, maybe they hire someone above them we'll see.

AVP is a Wolf guy
12 months from now we know who to point fingers at

 

[upstater1]

so your argument is Bill wasn't negligent in filling out the offense he was just incompetent?

either way, Meyers said pn felger and mazz yesterday Bill wouldn't budge and they were $1million apart on guarantees and would've been back if they did. and Bill refused to Budge on Hopkins too offering him a "prove it deal" to play for a .500 team that missed the playoffs...

acting like both could'nt have helped and Bill was helpless do do anything is just pure ball-washing. he easily could've brought both guys in and it would've helped the team.

the eye test says zappe looked better and didn't turtle under the pressure like Mac did and played with more poise. but the stats say he was as bad or mostly worse than Mac jones. I mean dude had a 23.4 rating 59% completion percentage 6tds and 9picks and we are raving about his performance....stats wise Mac was better in every category 64.9%, 10tds, 12picks and a 36.6 rating

No, the 4 OL are young and two of them made All-Rookie. Andrews looked good.

Mac Jones was a huge failure. Should've been canned a while back. Who brought him back?

You're so wrong on Jakobi. First off, you guys criticized him for letting Jakobi go when Callahan says that was not what he wanted. Then you criticized him for not even offering Jakobi a contract, and now we find out he was only $1m off from the top offer. Then you go back to FA last year and the vast majority of the board was saying that the offer to Jakobi should top off at $7m, so they went $3m above that. And to top it all off, 95% of the board was in favor of jumping Jakobi for JuJu -- there's a 40 page thread on the subject.

No matter what Belichick did, you would twist it to make it look bad. This is massively hypocritical.

Last you're a slave to stats. I explained why.

 

[archstanton543]

No, the 4 OL are young and two of them made All-Rookie. Andrews looked good.

Mac Jones was a huge failure. Should've been canned a while back. Who brought him back?

You're so wrong on Jakobi. First off, you guys criticized him for letting Jakobi go when Callahan says that was not what he wanted. Then you criticized him for not even offering Jakobi a contract, and now we find out he was only $1m off from the top offer. Then you go back to FA last year and the vast majority of the board was saying that the offer to Jakobi should top off at $7m, so they went $3m above that. And to top it all off, 95% of the board was in favor of jumping Jakobi for JuJu -- there's a 40 page thread on the subject.

No matter what Belichick did, you would twist it to make it look bad. This is massively hypocritical.

Last you're a slave to stats. I explained why.

Teams rarely can QB's on their rookie deal.

 

[upstater1]

Teams rarely can QB's on their rookie deal.

Let me introduce you to Trey Lance.

 

[archstanton543]

Let me introduce you to Trey Lance.

I said "rarely" not "never".

 

[upstater1]

I said "rarely" not "never".

It happens a lot more than you think, and this only off the top of my head: Lance, Darnold, Rosen. Teams that have a strong front office move on quickly. Teams that are inept keep their problem QBs on the team. It's a sign of organizational weakness. And the worst teams of all are the teams that sign their idiot QBs to extensions: Daniel Jones, Mariota, etc.

 

[archstanton543]

It happens a lot more than you think, and this only off the top of my head: Lance, Darnold, Rosen. Teams that have a strong front office move on quickly. Teams that are inept keep their problem QBs on the team. It's a sign of organizational weakness. And the worst teams of all are the teams that sign their idiot QBs to extensions: Daniel Jones, Mariota, etc.

There were problems with the three QB's you listed right off the bat. Mac made the Pro Bowl and got the team to the playoffs.

Whatever, they were never going to get rid of Mac last year or the year before that. They may or may not have shopped him around but that's a moot point.

 

[upstater1]

There were problems with the three QB's you listed right off the bat. Mac made the Pro Bowl and got the team to the playoffs.

Whatever, they were never going to get rid of Mac last year or the year before that. They may or may not have shopped him around but that's a moot point.

It's been clear for a long while that Mac is a complete and total bust. If only they got rid of him sooner, they'd have found someone to trade some real resources for him. Now he's worth a 6th

 

[cmasspatsfan]

That’s the thing with Zappe. People think he was worlds better just because he didn’t freak out under pressure and ignore the fact he couldn’t see the field and had trouble going through his progressions and if his first read or second wasn‘t there he made mistakes. Or that although he moved around the pocket when under pressure he would hold onto the ball too long.

Other than two or three halves in two or three different games, Zappe was awful.

People expected more from Mac and not as much from Zappe, as it turns out they both sucked equally.

 

[Rob0729]

People expected more from Mac and not as much from Zappe, as it turns out they both sucked equally.

It is funny. People claim that teams figured Mac out by the end of his rookie season. Based on the utter disaster of his last two games, teams figured out Zappe by the end of this season. But some of the same people who said that about Mac refuse to say that about Zappe.

 

[venecol]

It is funny. People claim that teams figured Mac out by the end of his rookie season. Based on the utter disaster of his last two games, teams figured out Zappe by the end of this season. But some of the same people who said that about Mac refuse to say that about Zappe.

Maybe because Zap was playing w/o Trent, Rham, Bourne, JuJu (I know), Henry for most or a few of his games. Those were some of our best O players.

It doesn't mean Zappe is any better than Mac, but context matters.

 

[Rob0729]

Maybe because Zap was playing w/o Trent, Rham, Bourne, JuJu (I know), Henry for most or a few of his games. Those were some of our best O players.

It doesn't mean Zappe is any better than Mac, but context matters.

But you can make similar excuses in 2021 like maybe it was because the Pats' defense fell apart at the end of that year and they were asking Mac Jones to get into shoot outs every week opposed to earlier in the year where they played close games or with the lead and it allowed him to play within himself more.

But the Pats were without Brown and other players for Mac last year during games and people didn't give him the same benefit of the doubt. Week one against the Eagles the Pats were without Parker, Strange, and Owenu and the RT position was a disaster. JuJu barely played (Boutte had more snaps than JuJu). They had three rookie starters in the first game of the season. And Mac played well except for one turnover. Context does matter.

Not pointing this out to defend Mac, but to point out that saying player being out is just excuse making.