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and second, his overall stats aren't worthy of a Cy Young. He's 10-8 with an ERA over 3. When Rick Sutcliffe got traded during the season and won the CY Young in the NL, he made 20 starts, and went 16-1, with a sub 3 ERA. There wasn't a pitcher who had more dominant stats than him. Matter of fact, the writers excluded the 10 or so starts he made in the AL, since his ERA there was over 5. In the NL this year, there are at least 6 pitchers with a superior amount of wins over CC, who have a sub 3 ERA. CC has ZERO chance.
Meaningless.
Saying he has "ZERO chance" is fairly stupid. He has a 3.33 ERA and 10 wins, and as I pointed out earlier is a sub-3 pitcher in September. At this point in the year last year he was 13-6 with an ERA close to 4.00 before he went on to win the cy young. And why did he win the cy young? Because he was filthy down the stretch and lead the Indians to the postseason. That's what writers look at and that's exactly what he's poised to do for the Brewers. Comparing him to Rick Sutcliffe is pointless; different era, different set of pitchers.
The current NL pitchers ahead of him right now are:
Dan Haren - 2.62 ERA with 11 wins. (one more than Sabathia). If Arizona doesn't make an improvement by 4 today they aren't going to be anything special down the stretch and Haren has a 4.21 and 4.27 ERA historically in August and September respectively.
Brandon Webb - 14 wins, 3.14 ERA. Webb is probably the most legit challenge for Sabathia, but again I don't like Arizona from here on out and Webb also has a ERA of about 3.26 historically in August and September.
Cole Hamels - 9-6 with a 3.27 ERA (only a shade better than Sabathia). The Phillies are going nowhere in a division race that's tiht only because of collective mediocrity. He got absolutely shelled in his last outing, giving up 9 runs. Because he's so young and his sample size so small I won't include his historical ERA from August and September as there's no statistical correlation you could accurately draw from it.
Ryan Dempster - 12 wins (2 more than CC) with a 2.90 ERA. Along with Webb, he's a legit contender because he's on the best team in the NL. But historically he has a 4.81 ERA from here on out, has never performed like he has this year and frankly I just don't think he's that great of a pitcher.
Tim Lincecum - 11 wins, 2.78 ERA. He's not winning the Cy Young in his rookie season because he's on a horrendous team and will be on a restrictive pitch count from here on out. He may be the best pitcher in baseball though.
Edinson Volquez - 13 wins, 2.76 ERA 1.30 WHIP. He's poised to come crashing back down to earth as he's only a rookie and if Dusty Baker goes Kerry Wood on him his arm will most likely fall off by the end of the year if there's no pitch count. He's another rookie on a terrible team like Lincecum, but nowhere near as good.
So there you have it. 6 pitchers in the NL with better numbers so far than Sabathia. If you think the writers are going to do anything but count Sabathia's first half numbers as a plus (better league) then you're delusional. You cans see that there's no one in the NL setting the world on fire right now who isn't performing above their head on a ****ty team. Haren and Webb are probably the two biggest contenders other than CC to keep up their current pace, but CC will improve consistently from here on out, and he's the best candidate to get it out of the whole group. He's been better than Johan, Peavy, Harden and Zambrano, two of which have injury issues.
God I wish we could get Hanley Ramirez back. That will never happen, unfortunately. I sometimes wonder if getting Beckett and Lowell for him was worth it. I guess the answer is yes, but it still hurts to lose the greatest prospect to ever come out of our system.
What have you done for me lately? He ain't looking so great this year, amigo. And he looked like chit in 2006 as well. I guess he's a stud every other year.One of the most dominating pitchers today and should have been Cy Young last year, and a world series MVP.. ya I think that trade was decent
What have you done for me lately? He ain't looking so great this year, amigo. And he looked like chit in 2006 as well. I guess he's a stud every other year.
CC has virtually ZERO chance of winning the NL Cy Young. Get that through your thick skull. They will not combine his numbers from two different leagues. There is an AL Cy award, and an NL Cy award for a reason. That means stats from one league don't count toward an award in another. If he goes 16-1 with a microscopic ERA (like Sutcliffe!), and has a better year in the NL than anyone else, then he might have a chance, but considering the fact that there are 5 pitchers in the NL with a chance for 20 wins, and a sub 3 ERA, I highly doubt it.
CC on here anywhere?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy
The fact that you have nothing to back up your useless rant, as usual, is very telling. An ESPN speculation? Wow, well done.
The fact that you have nothing to back up your useless rant, as usual, is very telling. An ESPN speculation? Wow, well done.
Each league's award is voted on by two members of the Baseball Writers Association of America in each league city, meaning 28 ballots are cast for the American League winner, and 32 for the National League. Each places a vote for first, second, and third place among the pitchers of each league.
Because the writers vote and they'll take his AL stats into consideration as if they were NL stats all year. It'd be dumb to discount his AL stats especially since he went from the tougher league to the easier one.
Meaningless.
Saying he has "ZERO chance" is fairly stupid. He has a 3.33 ERA and 10 wins, and as I pointed out earlier is a sub-3 pitcher in September. At this point in the year last year he was 13-6 with an ERA close to 4.00 before he went on to win the cy young. And why did he win the cy young? Because he was filthy down the stretch and lead the Indians to the postseason. That's what writers look at and that's exactly what he's poised to do for the Brewers. Comparing him to Rick Sutcliffe is pointless; different era, different set of pitchers.
The current NL pitchers ahead of him right now are:
Dan Haren - 2.62 ERA with 11 wins. (one more than Sabathia). If Arizona doesn't make an improvement by 4 today they aren't going to be anything special down the stretch and Haren has a 4.21 and 4.27 ERA historically in August and September respectively.
Brandon Webb - 14 wins, 3.14 ERA. Webb is probably the most legit challenge for Sabathia, but again I don't like Arizona from here on out and Webb also has a ERA of about 3.26 historically in August and September.
Cole Hamels - 9-6 with a 3.27 ERA (only a shade better than Sabathia). The Phillies are going nowhere in a division race that's tiht only because of collective mediocrity. He got absolutely shelled in his last outing, giving up 9 runs. Because he's so young and his sample size so small I won't include his historical ERA from August and September as there's no statistical correlation you could accurately draw from it.
Ryan Dempster - 12 wins (2 more than CC) with a 2.90 ERA. Along with Webb, he's a legit contender because he's on the best team in the NL. But historically he has a 4.81 ERA from here on out, has never performed like he has this year and frankly I just don't think he's that great of a pitcher.
Tim Lincecum - 11 wins, 2.78 ERA. He's not winning the Cy Young in his rookie season because he's on a horrendous team and will be on a restrictive pitch count from here on out. He may be the best pitcher in baseball though.
Edinson Volquez - 13 wins, 2.76 ERA 1.30 WHIP. He's poised to come crashing back down to earth as he's only a rookie and if Dusty Baker goes Kerry Wood on him his arm will most likely fall off by the end of the year if there's no pitch count. He's another rookie on a terrible team like Lincecum, but nowhere near as good.
So there you have it. 6 pitchers in the NL with better numbers so far than Sabathia. If you think the writers are going to do anything but count Sabathia's first half numbers as a plus (better league) then you're delusional. You cans see that there's no one in the NL setting the world on fire right now who isn't performing above their head on a ****ty team. Haren and Webb are probably the two biggest contenders other than CC to keep up their current pace, but CC will improve consistently from here on out, and he's the best candidate to get it out of the whole group. He's been better than Johan, Peavy, Harden and Zambrano, two of which have injury issues.
The fact that you have nothing to back up your useless rant, as usual, is very telling. An ESPN speculation? Wow, well done.
Lincecum wins NL Cy Young, Sabathia finishes 5th
Associated Press
1:57 PM CST, November 11, 2008
MILWAUKEE - CC Sabathia had a dominant half-season for the Milwaukee Brewers but it wasn't enough to earn him the NL Cy Young award.
Pitching's highest honor went Tuesday to Tim Lincecum, the 24-year-old ace of the San Francisco Giants.
Sabathia came to Milwaukee in a midseason trade with Cleveland. He went 11-2 with a 1.65 ERA for the Brewers, throwing seven complete games in 17 starts.
I (don't really ) hate to say I told so, but....
I was waiting for this
two things:
I never said he was definitely going to win, I said he could win if he continued to dominate, he faded down the stretch.
I didn't think precedent mattered since this happens so rarely that a dominant pitcher moves half way through the season.
You were right, but if he had dominated and Linceceum had faded, which he didn't, I still think it would have been very close and probably gone to CC.
It looks like the Yankees are going to land this whale (pun intended), so have fun with him next year falling apart in the playoffs
I'm interested to see what the starting rotation for the Yanks is going to be. Right now they have Wang and....no one. They just sold Rasner to a Japanese team.
Are they really going to roll a rotation of Chamberlain/Hughes/Kennedy out there? Wang is a head case and none of the other three can really be expected to pitch an entire season.