Mankins could hold up NFL settlement

[townes]

Perhaps he did, but surely you can see the flaw in arguing you didn't hear it but figure it must have been positive so that says a lot, right?
I don't know how a HC would not make positive comments about a top 100 player, but that doesn't mean there is no limit on the value of the player and what you feel it is sensible to pay him.

I wasn't arguing about it, i was simply making a point and it was obvious at that, Belichik certainly wasn't knocking him. Belichik was presenting him, what do you think he was saying?

Have you seen it?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Per Borges via Ian Rappaport the NFLPA will recommend no special considerations for any of the plaintiffs tomorrow. Borges says this is despite some internet hacks reporting such... I wonder where they got their ideas... He does seem to be saying that requests were discussed and Mankins asked out of the tag (although not for compensation in lieu of), but given the well compensated veteran status of some of the plaintiffs they could not come up with a formula for compensation that worked so they are dropping it... Probably that and owners saying um...no. The Executive Committee of the NFLPA and the 32 player reps and vote tomorrow on whether to recommend ratification by rank and file. Provided they do the owners will vote to ratify on Thursday.

Our long NFL football fanatics nightmare may at last be OVAH. Are you ready for some Football??

BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet» Blog Archive » Source: NFLPA will not recommond any special considerations for the 10 plaintiffs in the Brady case

 

[Rob0729]

Whether Mankins was going to push to continue the lawsuit or not, the plantiffs in the lawsuit have been overruled by the NFLPA exectives:

After a far less wrangling and horse trading behind the scenes than some misplaced internet reports would have you believe, the NFLPA will not recommend any special considerations go to the 10 plaintiffs in the Brady case, a source familiar with the dicussions said.

After some debate over possible special relief for at least some of the 10 player-plaintiffs, it was determined it would be too cumbersome to try and work out individual deals. Since the bulk of plaintiffs were well-placed NFL veterans, the best way to go, it was decided, was to stick simply with the larger deal negotiated between the NFLPA and the league’s owners.

BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet» Blog Archive » Source: NFLPA will not recommond any special considerations for the 10 plaintiffs in the Brady case

Personally, I think they were going to push this until they realized how bad of a PR hit (including within the ranks of the players) that they were going to get after spending months calling the owners greedy only to hold up a deal to fight for the selfish interests of 10 players. All the plantiffs are already running for cover claiming they never asked for special consideration although it seems pretty clear that several did.

Again, I didn't have a problem for the plantiffs to ask for special consideration (eventhough I didn't think they deserved it), but I am glad cooler head prevailed and someone had the right mind to realize that this path was a stupid path to go on.

Reggie White deserved his special consideration when he got it because the lawsuit went on four years in which the Eagle retained exclusive rights to him and the trial was concluded (at least everything but the damages part of the case and any appeal) in which the courts sided with the players. And let's not forget the most important thing, the lawsuit was truly to right an unfair labor practice of the NFL where there was real form of free agency and most players had to spend their careers with whatever team drafted them until they didn't want them anymore with no real leverage to maximize their contracts. Even when the NFL introduced plan B free agency in 1989, each team could keep exclusive rights to any 37 players on their roster so basically only the bench players had free agency.

In this case, the plantiffs' free agency status was never affected during a season, the lawsuit was only three months old, and the lawsuit was mostly a tool to gain leverage in a CBA.

 

[Ring 6]

Thanks teach. Poison pills is the correct term as they were put in by both sides to discourage opting out. It worked against the players because the owners outsmarted them and they only have themselves to blame because they signed off on it but the concept remains the same.

I will just agree to disagree because this would be pointless.
But whatever term you wish to use it wasnt forcd upon the union, they bargained for it.

 

[Ring 6]

I wasn't arguing about it, i was simply making a point and it was obvious at that, Belichik certainly wasn't knocking him. Belichik was presenting him, what do you think he was saying?

Have you seen it?

Again, this is pointless.
Go ahead and make a point based on the fact that someone spoke and what you think they probably said proves your point. I really don't care.

 

[Ring 6]

Whether Mankins was going to push to continue the lawsuit or not, the plantiffs in the lawsuit have been overruled by the NFLPA exectives:



BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet» Blog Archive » Source: NFLPA will not recommond any special considerations for the 10 plaintiffs in the Brady case

Personally, I think they were going to push this until they realized how bad of a PR hit (including within the ranks of the players) that they were going to get after spending months calling the owners greedy only to hold up a deal to fight for the selfish interests of 10 players. All the plantiffs are already running for cover claiming they never asked for special consideration although it seems pretty clear that several did.

Again, I didn't have a problem for the plantiffs to ask for special consideration (eventhough I didn't think they deserved it), but I am glad cooler head prevailed and someone had the right mind to realize that this path was a stupid path to go on.

Reggie White deserved his special consideration when he got it because the lawsuit went on four years in which the Eagle retained exclusive rights to him and the trial was concluded (at least everything but the damages part of the case and any appeal) in which the courts sided with the players. And let's not forget the most important thing, the lawsuit was truly to right an unfair labor practice of the NFL where there was real form of free agency and most players had to spend their careers with whatever team drafted them until they didn't want them anymore with no real leverage to maximize their contracts. Even when the NFL introduced plan B free agency in 1989, each team could keep exclusive rights to any 37 players on their roster so basically only the bench players had free agency.

In this case, the plantiffs' free agency status was never affected during a season, the lawsuit was only three months old, and the lawsuit was mostly a tool to gain leverage in a CBA.

There is also the minor fact that the White case went to trial was White won a verdict, and this case hasn't gotten close.
Giving special treatment to the WINNER of a lawsuit is different than giving special treatment to the DROPPER of a lawsuit.
I think this whole concept of the named plaintiffs was a media creation that caught fire.
The named plantiffs were only named as a representative of their class, IIRC. Thats why there were players with deals, players without deals, players who were franchised, were not franchised, an RFA a rookie, etc.
They were named only as a representative of the group they belonged to, not as having a greater claim.
In other words, Von Miller was a representative of all players yet to be drafted. Any result of the case as it applied to him would have applied to all players in that class, and he would have received no additional benefit.

Apparently as the named plaintiffs they must agree to drop the case, and the talk of them getting something for it was IMO someone speculating they would request a bribe since they could.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Every year there's a player who is discussed ad nauseam ... MEH ... I'm not losing sleep over this one - we either pay him or we pay someone else cheaper and use the other money elsewhere. I'm in the camp that doesn't believe a top payed guard puts you over the top.

Does Mankins have a ring?

Great player - no ring - OG's are not difference makers in fact Mankin's playoff performances were rather pedestrian IMO.

 

[Ring 6]

Every year there's a player who is discussed ad nauseam ... MEH ... I'm not losing sleep over this one - we either pay him or we pay someone else cheaper and use the other money elsewhere. I'm in the camp that doesn't believe a top payed guard puts you over the top.

Does Mankins have a ring?

Great player - no ring - OG's are not difference makers in fact Mankin's playoff performances were rather pedestrian IMO.

Certainly Mankins worth is only relative to what you could otherwise do with the money. That is theory that has been behind the Pats success.
Its also important to note that those hypothetical players that would produce more value must be available and at a position of need too.

 

[BlueThunder]

I guess my only question is..if the players ratify on Wed and the owners on Thursday.....


How soon can camp start....????

Let's get our players signed, grab a FA or two and get the rookies and everyone in camp....

 

[supafly]

I guess my only question is..if the players ratify on Wed and the owners on Thursday.....


How soon can camp start....????

Let's get our players signed, grab a FA or two and get the rookies and everyone in camp....

I'm guessing that it will start with only a couple/few days delay, but don't quote me on that.

 

[The_Riddler]

Every year there's a player who is discussed ad nauseam ... MEH ... I'm not losing sleep over this one - we either pay him or we pay someone else cheaper and use the other money elsewhere. I'm in the camp that doesn't believe a top payed guard puts you over the top.

Does Mankins have a ring?

Great player - no ring - OG's are not difference makers in fact Mankin's playoff performances were rather pedestrian IMO.

Well said, I agree 100% with you on this. Funny thing is, Logan is supposed to be a better run blocker than a pass blocker, yet I don't think our RB's have seen alot of holes to run through.

We've seen Logan's holding calls, we've witnessed his medicore-to-poor playoff performances when guys across from him amp it up just a little more than he does and it's showed. Yet he calls himself the next John Hannah and wants to cash-strap the team, not a chance.

Like you said, let's not allocate alot of the CAP pie to an offensive guard, let's save that major piece of the pie for an impact position like a pass rusher.

 

[Uncle Rico]

I guess my only question is..if the players ratify on Wed and the owners on Thursday.....


How soon can camp start....????

Let's get our players signed, grab a FA or two and get the rookies and everyone in camp....

NFL.com has a video where Lombardi and LaCanfora talk about a likely schedule.

What they have is:

• Meetings for team execs: July 21-22 (tomorrow!)
• Facilities open to players: July 25
• OTAs begin: July 25
• Sign undrafted free agents: July 25
• League year/free agency begin: July 28
• Camps open: July 28
• Hall of Fame Game: Aug. 7

I don't think these are official, just their educated guesses, but fairly credible. I also understand that the time between July 25 and 28 is the time to sign a team's own free agents.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Brees and Manning are reportedly looking for lifetime exclusion from the franchise tag. They are looking to gain something for being on the list. Mankins and Jackson, OTOH, are just seeking to right a wrong done them by their teams last season. If San Diego and New England had treated the players the way they should have, this wouldn't be any kind of issue. Instead, the teams decided to screw over their players, and we're now seeing the results of that. I hope the players get their wish, whether it be a cash increase to make up for what they lost last year, or free agency without the tags.

Yup, it's a tragedy when teams actually follow through on what the agreed upon rules allow.

 

[Patspsycho]

Well said, I agree 100% with you on this. Funny thing is, Logan is supposed to be a better run blocker than a pass blocker, yet I don't think our RB's have seen alot of holes to run through.

We've seen Logan's holding calls, we've witnessed his medicore-to-poor playoff performances when guys across from him amp it up just a little more than he does and it's showed. Yet he calls himself the next John Hannah and wants to cash-strap the team, not a chance.

Like you said, let's not allocate alot of the CAP pie to an offensive guard, let's save that major piece of the pie for an impact position like a pass rusher.

I really have to disagree with you on this- I have seen none of the things you claim to see.

On the contrary, Mankins brought a level of meanness and chutzpah to the line that previously wasn't there during his absence.

He has missed assignments here and there, and when he first came back, he did whiff badly on a few downs, but this is a man who doesn't take plays off. He finishes plays and plays to the whistle often.

 

[patfanken]

Per Borges via Ian Rappaport the NFLPA will recommend no special considerations for any of the plaintiffs tomorrow. Borges says this is despite some internet hacks reporting such... I wonder where they got their ideas... He does seem to be saying that requests were discussed and Mankins asked out of the tag (although not for compensation in lieu of), but given the well compensated veteran status of some of the plaintiffs they could not come up with a formula for compensation that worked so they are dropping it... Probably that and owners saying um...no. The Executive Committee of the NFLPA and the 32 player reps and vote tomorrow on whether to recommend ratification by rank and file. Provided they do the owners will vote to ratify on Thursday.

Our long NFL football fanatics nightmare may at last be OVAH. Are you ready for some Football??

BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet» Blog Archive » Source: NFLPA will not recommond any special considerations for the 10 plaintiffs in the Brady case

Kind of ironic that Borges "breaks" the story about special treatment for the "named plaintiffs" then a few days later breaks another story which basically says...."never mind" Kinda makes you wonder. Can anyone say, "hack writer for sale. Send me your agenda and I'll get it published"

This whole brouhaha comes down to "much ado about nothing" 20 odd pages of sometimes emotionally charged rhetoric by us (including me) leading to absolutely NOTHING just a day later. I feel so used. and manipulated

 

[TruthSeeker]

What do the Patriots rights have to do with it? Mankins got screwed by the Patriots. Just because the Patriots had the 'right' to do it, you think that means Mankins should sit back and enjoy it?

Receiving top money to play your position is a terrible definition of "being screwed". It's true that Mankins didn't have total control to negotiate with all other 31 teams and find the deal that best suited him. Those were the rules.

It's just way over the top to say that receiving such a huge 1-year guaranteed contract is "being screwed". It's not. It was negotiated into the CBA because there's an element of fairness in having the team have some rights to their best players and not lose them.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

If I had to bet, I'd bet that whatever magic legal wand has to be waved over the suit will be waved and that the suit will just "go away" after the legal i's are dotted and t's are crossed.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Kind of ironic that Borges "breaks" the story about special treatment for the "named plaintiffs" then a few days later breaks another story which basically says...."never mind" Kinda makes you wonder. Can anyone say, "hack writer for sale. Send me your agenda and I'll get it published"

This whole brouhaha comes down to "much ado about nothing" 20 odd pages of sometimes emotionally charged rhetoric by us (including me) leading to absolutely NOTHING just a day later. I feel so used. and manipulated

I don't think it was exactly nothing. I think what happened was there was a move to get consideration special or otherwise for the plaintiffs and perhaps the class probably driven by Kessler and some agents whose noses are out of joint over the rookie cap and other issues and knowing that - because his sources are generally agents and malcontents - Ron had to nudge that agenda less it get overlooked because he wanted to see something bite the owners and especially Kraft in the ass before all was said and done. In doing so he led others to dig into it and that resulted in a little firestorm and now with plausible deniability following a day of getting themselves hammered in the press and feeling fan wrath he is forced to settle for making his peers (as if he has any...) who followed his lead squirm. He and florio were apparently going at it yesterday, and Bedard essentially replaced him at the Globe so of course he wants to paint him the fool. Wrong is never wrong even when he is, and that is one of his most unendearing qualities.

 

[The_Riddler]

I really have to disagree with you on this- I have seen none of the things you claim to see.

On the contrary, Mankins brought a level of meanness and chutzpah to the line that previously wasn't there during his absence.

He has missed assignments here and there, and when he first came back, he did whiff badly on a few downs, but this is a man who doesn't take plays off. He finishes plays and plays to the whistle often.

I thought Connelly filled in admirably for Logan, I would have no problem playing Connelly in his spot or even moving Light inside if we re-up him and I would take the extra savings from this and apply that to the higher impact position on the football team, not an OG.

If you want to sink a large part of the pie into a Logan Mankins instead of somewhere else, all the power to you, I wouldn't do it. I think this guy is beyond greedy. He can hit the road, he can and will be replaced.

 

[IllegalContact]

I don't think it was exactly nothing. I think what happened was there was a move to get consideration special or otherwise for the plaintiffs and perhaps the class probably driven by Kessler and some agents whose noses are out of joint over the rookie cap and other issues and knowing that - because his sources are generally agents and malcontents - Ron had to nudge that agenda less it get overlooked because he wanted to see something bite the owners and especially Kraft in the ass before all was said and done. In doing so he led others to dig into it and that resulted in a little firestorm and now with plausible deniability following a day of getting themselves hammered in the press and feeling fan wrath he is forced to settle for making his peers (as if he has any...) who followed his lead squirm. He and florio were apparently going at it yesterday, and Bedard essentially replaced him at the Globe so of course he wants to paint him the fool. Wrong is never wrong even when he is, and that is one of his most unendearing qualities.

this.......sort of.......

I put more on kessler .......... his impact on the situation was evaporating daily for months......he needed a last ditch.......he probably had a list of guys who would wag the dog for him in media.......borges was the obvious one