Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[Joey007]

Best Trolling thread in a while...

A lot of damage control going on right now

 

[mosslost]

As disappointed as I am in Bill, I disagree. A big part of our success has to do with Bill making the decisions. Having a GM or front office person blocking decisions would be a terrible path to go down. He typically has very good judgement except cases like this and Welker. Which both turned out to be a disaster.

Calls for him to be fired are ridiculous too. But he has some serious explaining to do to his players and probably coaches too.

Hopefully we can move on in 2018 and Belichick learns from his mistake. We can and should be back in the Super Bowl before a Brady retirement.

Bill needs to be overseen, and all football related decisions run through a new GM, and ownership committee.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

Doubtfully that the truth will ever come out on this story. It just feels like we are all being lied to by everyone involved and it’s very strange.

Well butler has come out and defended himself and he has the support of his teammates. Bill has come out with "we did what was best for the team". Well that led to 41 points and nick Foles looking like a stud against his defense.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think they were far from average. They lacked talent.

Wise was ok. Harrison was ok. Brown and Trey are above average. Branch cashed out. Billie Jean is not my DT. Guy is serviceable. KVN is serviceable. Roberts is maddening. LB Flowers and all else are bottom of the roster guys.

Christ. Seeing that in black and white is a miracle they made it this far.

 

[mosslost]

A lot of damage control going on right now

the anger is swelling and creating a nice, steady, slow burn....

 

[RobertWeathers]

BBs decision looks to be based off something other than what gave the team the best chance to win. You can call that popularity.

Depending on what you believe its a plain ole ****ty football decision.

 

[patsfan13]

How about this scenario, sometime less than 90 minutes before the game Butler got into an argument with Steve Belichick- the safeties coach. Maybe lit into him about going safety heavy and question both the coaching of that group and the play. Bill would defend his son against anyone and that might have been it. It was after the inactive list had been made so they could not de-activate him. So they used him as a the man of last resort.

If you are correct that is inexcusable. He cheated the team but not putting players in positions to be successful (Rowe, McCourty, Chung) and di what was best for his child and ego rather than do what was best for the team.

 

[mosslost]

How about this scenario, sometime less than 90 minutes before the game Butler got into an argument with Steve Belichick- the safeties coach. Maybe lit into him about going safety heavy and question both the coaching of that group and the play. Bill would defend his son against anyone and that might have been it. It was after the inactive list had been made so they could not de-activate him. So they used him as a the man of last resort.

that would be very troubling

 

[RobertWeathers]

In practice lol. He went off practice if that's true. Butler's a competitor. What's worse is that butler thought he would start until BB decided to pull a fast one on him.

How players perform in practice and how the respond determines if and how much they play.

That has been that way here for 18 years.

 

[RobertWeathers]

How about this scenario, sometime less than 90 minutes before the game Butler got into an argument with Steve Belichick- the safeties coach. Maybe lit into him about going safety heavy and question both the coaching of that group and the play. Bill would defend his son against anyone and that might have been it. It was after the inactive list had been made so they could not de-activate him. So they used him as a the man of last resort.

Thats what I'm hearing too.

Reiss article might be spun out of BBs office

 

[mosslost]

Thats what I'm hearing too. Part of the whole story.

that would be alarming

 

[juny]

How about this scenario, sometime less than 90 minutes before the game Butler got into an argument with Steve Belichick- the safeties coach. Maybe lit into him about going safety heavy and question both the coaching of that group and the play. Bill would defend his son against anyone and that might have been it. It was after the inactive list had been made so they could not de-activate him. So they used him as a the man of last resort.

I don't think anyone would have a problem with sitting the guy down for a drive or a quarter or whatever in this scenario. But when the defense is being torn apart, you need to make some kind of adjustment.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

There is no apparently. He didn't





Based on what?

The whole year. Maybe he was dogging it in practice. Idk. What's worse is the way he did it. He told him before the game started. It threw the whole team off. That was one of the worse decisions I think he has ever made.

 

[Deus Irae]

Butler had been struggling. I think people need to start by acknowledging that the notion of getting Rowe snaps over Butler was not, in and of itself, a crazy idea. That doesn't mean one has to agree with the timing of the decision (in other words, "You did this against the Eagles, who know Rowe so well?" is still a valid point to discuss, as is "But in the Super Bowl?"), but I think we have to break down the Butler on the bench thing into 3 parts, and acknowledge that at least the first makes perfect sense in a vacuum.

1. Demotion behind Rowe, with a change possible should Rowe crap out
   
2. Demotion behind EVERYONE, with a change possible should someone crap out
   
3. Demotion actually a benching, when player not brought in after multiple other players crapped the bed

If we take BB at his word, and accept that this was a football decision, I'd argue that the first part would be one where people would question the timing, but most people would at least start off in "BB knows what he's doing" mode. I'd argue that the second and third points are where the discussion really should take hold.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Well BB apparently didn't even try at least. The first half was all I needed to see. Butler deserves a chance. If you honestly believe that Rowe and bademosi gives you a better chance than idk what to say. This was a personal vendetta.

Butler was active, so the original plan must have been to have him available for any adjustments. Perhaps seeing Butler bawling his eyes out pregame about not starting made BB decide that he was not in a state of mind to go in, even as a backup.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

I don't think anyone would have a problem with sitting the guy down for a drive or a quarter or whatever in this scenario. But when the defense is being torn apart, you need to make some kind of adjustment.

That's another thing. Adjustments. Zero adjustments! Nothing to disrupt Foles. It's like he was handcuffed. Well he did that to himself when he decided to bench butler.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The whole year. Maybe he was dogging it in practice. Idk. What's worse is the way he did it. He told him before the game started. It threw the whole team off. That was one of the worse decisions I think he has ever made.

BB does not name starters until later the week. He might have suspected Malcolm would freak so he waited till last minute.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

Butler had been struggling. I think people need to start by acknowledging that the notion of getting Rowe snaps over Butler was not, in and of itself, a crazy idea. That doesn't mean one has to agree with the timing of the decision (in other words, "You did this against the Eagles, who know Rowe so well?" is still a valid point to discuss, as is "But in the Super Bowl?"), but I think we have to break down the Butler on the bench thing into 3 parts, and acknowledge that at least the first makes perfect sense in a vacuum.

1. Demotion behind Rowe, with a change possible should Rowe crap out
   
2. Demotion behind EVERYONE, with a change possible should someone crap out
   
3. Demotion actually a benching, when player not brought in after multiple other players crapped the bed

If we take BB at his word, and accept that this was a football decision, I'd argue that the first part would be one where people would question the timing, but most people would at least start off in "BB knows what he's doing" mode. I'd argue that the second and third points are where the discussion really should take hold.

I am trying to tell myself how Rowe would be a better option than butler. Listen butler didn't have a great year but for one lousy play he makes a great play. All they needed was a couple of stops. It's hard for me to understand how Rowe would start ahead of butler. Also keep in mind that philly knows Rowe's game and tendencies. They went straight after him.

 

[supafly]

the idea is to get him out of here with him not having the right to coach elsewhere. That is the idea of putting a GM/Football boss over him. And if he quits under that scenario he can't go elsewhere.

He has lost it anyway, he would not likely hurt use elsewhere anyway. Brady made him what he is..

You totally lost me, dude. I don’t follow at all.

You’re saying you want to try and control Belichick’s drafting and pre-season roster building strategy by bringing in a GM? A GM isn’t his “boss.” He wouldn’t have had anything to do with the decision to bench Malcolm Butler. As long as BB is here, it’s his team. I don’t think anyone would dispute that. It’s one of the main reasons why he continues to coach.

If you’re claiming that you want BB to be run out of town, you should just find another forum to post on, because I doubt that anyone here will agree with that nonsense. That’s just silly talk. You can’t be serious.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

QuantumMechanic, Ivan, AndyJohnson.

You spent your time in several threads, on the losing side of this argument and you had the gall to call all of us who “dared” go against Belichick fools.

Come get the crow.

Holy crap...this thread

COME GET YOUR CROW!!! EAT IT NOW!!! YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!

We're barely 48hrs after the game. Let the story develop before looking to shove crow down anyone's throat.

Arms breaking left and right around here with folks trying to pat themselves on the back. Friggin hilarious.

Regards,
Chris