Mac Jones Through 2 Games (2021 vs 2022 vs 2023) By QTR and Redzone Totals

[JarOfMayo51]

Peyton Manning played his entire career in Indy with either Marvin Harrison or Reggie Wayne. Often both. In his 12 years there he saw his WR's get 4 First Team All Pros and 7 Second Team All Pros. One ended up on the All decade team for the 2000's. Then Dallas Clark was the TE and he got a First Team All Pro at one point. Dude routinely had stacked offenses.

THEN he went to Indy and Demaryius Thomas and then got Welker, then Sanders. It was probably the most potent offense in the NFL at the time. And all of them looked good without Manning. Julius Thomas was the one guy you could say Manning "made".

But no, Peyton Manning in his life never dealt with an offense even half as bad as what the Pats have had.

Manning also had HoFer Marshal Faulk early in his career, and then Edgerrin James

Edgerrin James was an outstanding player for them
Offensive Rookie of the Year
NFL All Rookie Team
NFL 2000s All Decade Team
2x NFL Rushing Yard Leader
4x Pro Bowl
1x All Pro
2x 2nd Team All-Pro

Then they drafted Addai in the 1st round.. They invested insane amounts of capital into Manning and the offense, and he had Tom Moore as his coordinator for most of his career, he even followed him to Denver if i remember correctly.

I can't think of a QB in the history of the NFL that had a front office pamper to them more than PEDton Manning. He had as stable a coaching situation as you can have in terms of offense, he played on turf in a dome, they changed rules to increase their offensive potency and surrounded him with exceptional hall of fame talent across the board.. His offensive line had like 3-4 pro bowlers one year as well

Then he went to a Broncos team that was even more loaded, and got carried to a Superbowl despite his weak ass arm that he couldnt prop up using HGH anymore because the league started testing the very next year after his comeback from the neck surgery when he broke the TD record (USING HGH AND CHEATING!)

Its no coincidence that at the exact same time Manning got his neck surgery, his pregnant wife was receiving HGH shipments from a doctor that was recorded on camera admitting to providing him and other athletes HGH... He miraculously fully recovers from the neck surgery that year and breaks the TD record... then that offseason, NFL implements HGH testing and the very next season, Manning looks like he has a 10 year olds arm strength and their defense carries them to a SB

The Manning's, a family of cheaters and felons

 

[Rob0729]

The problem Tune, is the arm strength looks Chad Pennington noodle arm-like.

Tua and Purdy have similar arm strength.

Many people who know more than us about QBs say Mac's arm strength isn't an issue like Zolak.

 

[amfootball]

Tua and Purdy have similar arm strength.

Many people who know more than us about QBs say Mac's arm strength isn't an issue like Zolak.

It's a good point. I think Mac's arm is more nuanced. At times, he throws the ball with some zip and then other times, it looks like it is coming in slow motion. I think most of it is mechanics. He can be really sloppy with his foot work to get his body in the right position and this leads to more "arm" throws and those are not good. I really watched him on the pick down the right sideline and he just didn't step into the ball, he actually throws it off his back foot. There was no pressure, he could have stepped into the throw but he threw off balance making it an easy play for the DB.

 

[Pape]

You are missing the point entirely. QBs carry W-L record as a stat. No other player does because the QB affects the outcome of the games the most.

no he's not. he's being deliberately obtuse.

iirc he's the guy who credits all 16W to mac, but the 17L are team losses.

Guess its too hard to admit we have a .500 bus driver under center at this point...

think about that 16w... ten of them coming in his rookie season... two years ago.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Manning also had HoFer Marshal Faulk early in his career, and then Edgerrin James

Edgerrin James was an outstanding player for them
Offensive Rookie of the Year
NFL All Rookie Team
NFL 2000s All Decade Team
2x NFL Rushing Yard Leader
4x Pro Bowl
1x All Pro
2x 2nd Team All-Pro

Then they drafted Addai in the 1st round.. They invested insane amounts of capital into Manning and the offense, and he had Tom Moore as his coordinator for most of his career, he even followed him to Denver if i remember correctly.

I can't think of a QB in the history of the NFL that had a front office pamper to them more than PEDton Manning. He had as stable a coaching situation as you can have in terms of offense, he played on turf in a dome, they changed rules to increase their offensive potency and surrounded him with exceptional hall of fame talent across the board.. His offensive line had like 3-4 pro bowlers one year as well

Then he went to a Broncos team that was even more loaded, and got carried to a Superbowl despite his weak ass arm that he couldnt prop up using HGH anymore because the league started testing the very next year after his comeback from the neck surgery when he broke the TD record (USING HGH AND CHEATING!)

Its no coincidence that at the exact same time Manning got his neck surgery, his pregnant wife was receiving HGH shipments from a doctor that was recorded on camera admitting to providing him and other athletes HGH... He miraculously fully recovers from the neck surgery that year and breaks the TD record... then that offseason, NFL implements HGH testing and the very next season, Manning looks like he has a 10 year olds arm strength and their defense carries them to a SB

The Manning's, a family of cheaters and felons

I remember one time (I think it was 2010) he finally was missing Wayne and Clark and only had like one good receiver (Garcon) and became a pick machine. He had no idea what to do and looked panicked.

 

[Love The Drake]

It's a good point. I think Mac's arm is more nuanced. At times, he throws the ball with some zip and then other times, it looks like it is coming in slow motion. I think most of it is mechanics. He can be really sloppy with his foot work to get his body in the right position and this leads to more "arm" throws and those are not good. I really watched him on the pick down the right sideline and he just didn't step into the ball making it an easy play for the DB.

You would think that would be coached out of him.

 

[sb1]

I remember one time (I think it was 2010) he finally was missing Wayne and Clark and only had like one good receiver (Garcon) and became a pick machine. He had no idea what to do and looked panicked.

Yup I think that was his 6 INT game against the Chargers.

 

[Love The Drake]

I remember one time (I think it was 2010) he finally was missing Wayne and Clark and only had like one good receiver (Garcon) and became a pick machine. He had no idea what to do and looked panicked.

I remember that, another reason Tom is the Goat.

 

[Tunescribe]

The problem Tune, is the arm strength looks Chad Pennington noodle arm-like.

Mac's arm strength is adequate, not great but certainly not poor. His accuracy and decision making are superior. Punky McMilfson has a better arm and look where that's gotten him. Quarterbacks that have it all are few and far between.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Dallas clark is a prime example of a guy who was made better by Manning.

I can't buy this, Dallas Clark was unanimous all-american in college and was the best TE in the country coming out

He was a 1st round pick, the first (and only) TE selected in the first round

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Basically the nightmare scenario if they sign Jones to a $175M extension.

If they give him $175m extension, then they think hes legit..

and Bledsoe had just signed a monster contract, but then they discovered Brady and traded Bledsoe away... As Ian has said, we need to make best use of the players and QB we have available right now, but they will continously search for more QBs and if they find one that Bill feels is better than Mac, he will start him without question

 

[RobertWeathers]

I can't buy this, Dallas Clark was unanimous all-american in college and was the best TE in the country coming out

He was a 1st round pick, the first (and only) TE selected in the first round

Catching balls from Peyton in that offense allowed him to have great stats but he would have been a weapon anywhere that had a good QB that featured a TE/H-back.

He would have kicked ass here

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Mac's arm strength is adequate, not great but certainly not poor. His accuracy and decision making are superior. Punky McMilfson has a better arm and look where that's gotten him. Quarterbacks that have it all are few and far between.

Mac’s arm is better than Pennington’s arm, even before Pennington’s injury. But I have no idea why people are always using Pennington as a negative comp. In 2008 Pennington (with his post surgery weak arm) should have won league MVP after turning around the Dolphins. Brees had a very weak arm, especially late in his career.

Mac doesn’t make enough high level plays. Maybe it’s psychological. Maybe it’s a combination of that and arm strength.

The problem with Mac isn’t really the throws he makes but the throws he doesn’t make (or attempt.). They’re there. Where? I’m not a film guy. But watch RZ channel and you’ll see better QBs all around the league constantly making big plays to win games and extend drives.

Mac takes what defenses give him. There are hard limits to that approach. Defenses give you what they want you to take. And people who think Brady took only what the defenses gave him truly do not understand what made him so great. It’s all about game situation.

 

[Rob0729]

It's a good point. I think Mac's arm is more nuanced. At times, he throws the ball with some zip and then other times, it looks like it is coming in slow motion. I think most of it is mechanics. He can be really sloppy with his foot work to get his body in the right position and this leads to more "arm" throws and those are not good. I really watched him on the pick down the right sideline and he just didn't step into the ball, he actually throws it off his back foot. There was no pressure, he could have stepped into the throw but he threw off balance making it an easy play for the DB.

I don't think the INT had anything to do with his mechanics. I think it was a poor decision by Mac and poor effort by Parker. I think he thought Parker was going to get there and didn't see how Parker was forced out of bounds. There was nothing about the velocity of the pass.

 

[Rob0729]

Mac’s arm is better than Pennington’s arm, even before Pennington’s injury. But I have no idea why people are always using Pennington as a negative comp. In 2008 Pennington (with his post surgery weak arm) should have won league MVP after turning around the Dolphins. Brees had a very weak arm, especially late in his career.

Mac doesn’t make enough high level plays. Maybe it’s psychological. Maybe it’s a combination of that and arm strength.

The problem with Mac isn’t really the throws he makes but the throws he doesn’t make (or attempt.). They’re there. Where? I’m not a film guy. But watch RZ channel and you’ll see better QBs all around the league constantly making big plays to win games and extend drives.

Mac takes what defenses give him. There are hard limits to that approach. Defenses give you what they want you to take. And people who think Brady took only what the defenses gave him truly do understand what made him so great. It’s all about game situation.

For what is worth, according to PFF, down the last seven or eight games last year he was in the top 5 in the league for big time throws. It is PFF though.

Bedard made a good point. You look at Jones' pass to Bourne down the left sidelines that would have been a TD if Bourne caught it vs. a similar pass by Carr to Olave on MNF the next night. Mac threw a perfect pass, but Bourne couldn't get his second arm free and drops it. Carr throws a pass that is off target a bit and Olave adjusts and it is a TD. Sometimes the lack of high level plays are not all on the QB.

You can look at the Boutte non-catch which would have been a high level play if Boutte got the foot down.

I saw some big time plays by Jones so far this season. There have been multiple occasions this season where Jones has stood in the pocket and made throws for first downs with a defender about to hit him. The pass to JuJu in the red zone where the play broke down and he scramble right and directed JuJu where to go. The Henry TD on Sunday was a high level throw too.

 

[Pape]

I can't buy this, Dallas Clark was unanimous all-american in college and was the best TE in the country coming out

He was a 1st round pick, the first (and only) TE selected in the first round

eh, Tyler Eifort was also a first (and only) TE selected in the first round in 2013.

I never said anyone had to agree with me Jar. but quite frankly, I don't care if you do or don't. The NFL history is full of highly touted players in college who were hightly touted, had great collegiate careers, but never achieved those lofty expectations. so all that information about clark pre-draft? Irrelevant.

I thought of Clark as a half way decent tight end, still do, when i think about him at all, which falls along the range of not often to never. While he was playing, I never considered him as one of the best tight ends except for the single year he caught 10 tds. He is not what I consider a "superstar" or a "stud" when I think of the tight end position.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

For what is worth, according to PFF, down the last seven or eight games last year he was in the top 5 in the league for big time throws. It is PFF though.

Bedard made a good point. You look at Jones' pass to Bourne down the left sidelines that would have been a TD if Bourne caught it vs. a similar pass by Carr to Olave on MNF the next night. Mac threw a perfect pass, but Bourne couldn't get his second arm free and drops it. Carr throws a pass that is off target a bit and Olave adjusts and it is a TD. Sometimes the lack of high level plays are not all on the QB.

You can look at the Boutte non-catch which would have been a high level play if Boutte got the foot down.

I saw some big time plays by Jones so far this season. There have been multiple occasions this season where Jones has stood in the pocket and made throws for first downs with a defender about to hit him. The pass to JuJu in the red zone where the play broke down and he scramble right and directed JuJu where to go. The Henry TD on Sunday was a high level throw too.

Like any other QB, he’s going to throw a crappy pass and sometimes get bailed out by the receiver. He’s going to throw some great passes that the receiver muffs. He's going to throw some 50/50 balls that get caught and not get caught. Especially on deep balls, I think there’s often a lot luck involved when you just look at a couple of games and the results.

I don’t see enough middle of field, 15 yard small window throws that have YAC potential. I don’t see the 3rd and 10 ropes past the down marker. And on the deep throws, looking overall now over 1,000 attempts, there simply aren’t many highlights.

I see a lot sideline passes that the defense is giving him. A lot of 8 yard completions on 3rd and 10 where the receiver is facing him.

 

[amfootball]

I don't think the INT had anything to do with his mechanics. I think it was a poor decision by Mac and poor effort by Parker. I think he thought Parker was going to get there and didn't see how Parker was forced out of bounds. There was nothing about the velocity of the pass.

I agree, it was a poor decision but that does not excuse the terrible mechanics. That is where he is so inconsistent. He just can't see to make the routine throws especially into coverage consistently.

 

[amfootball]

Like any other QB, he’s going to throw a crappy pass and sometimes get bailed out by the receiver. He’s going to throw some great passes that the receiver muffs. He's going to throw some 50/50 balls that get caught and not get caught. Especially on deep balls, I think there’s often a lot luck involved when you just look at a couple of games and the results.

I don’t see enough middle of field, 15 yard small window throws that have YAC potential. I don’t see the 3rd and 10 ropes past the down marker. And on the deep throws, looking overall now over 1,000 attempts, there simply aren’t many highlights.

I see a lot sideline passes that the defense is giving him. A lot of 8 yard completions on 3rd and 10 where the receiver is facing him.

I think the manner in which BoB is running this offense is all you need to know about Mac.

 

[Rob0729]

I agree, it was a poor decision but that does not excuse the terrible mechanics. That is where he is so inconsistent. He just can't see to make the routine throws especially into coverage consistently.

The guy has thrown 96 passes and completed 68.8% of his passes. I think you are overstating things quite a bit.