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Discussion in 'Religion and Lighthearted Discussion' started by oldrover, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. The Brandon Five

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    Umm, you are deflecting. Back up the claim that all or most illegitimate births were due to rape in warfare.

    I guess that's rape in the sense that all arranged marriages were:

    While I personally don't get the reasoning behind this one, it states that a man who rapes a virgin must pay her father 50 shekels and marry her and may not divorce her. While I am also appalled at the idea of a woman having to marry her rapist, I don't see that as rape by a Jewish soldier sanctioned by God.

    Again, while I don't agree with it this is more forced marriage, which would not lead to illegitimate children.

    I'd have to read up on this, but I believe that is prophecy, not God's judgment. I could be wrong, but again I am not seeing the case for widespread illegitimacy as a result of warfare.

    It is interesting to note that under the Romans illegitimacy was treated very differently. The Christians actually took away the right of inheritance for children born out of wedlock (because you know, that's what Jesus would do :rolleyes:).

    There is a lot of stuff in the OT that I don't get, but I don't see how any of that applies to us. We aren't being called to conquer Canaan now.

    Fair enough. How can we know anything about the Creator?

    For me it comes down to the question of who Jesus was.
     

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    I never wrote ALL illegitmate births were due to rape in warfare. I wrote MOST were. OK, you can debate that. There certainly weren't any census statistics on it.

    However, what is certain is that the only one deflecting is you.

    The central point you continue to avoid is that the innocent CHILD (and 10 generations thereafter) is being punished with no recourse for entering the Church while the father who did the deed can be saved.

    You can lawyer up all you want about HOW the adultery/rape took place, but you are doing the definition of "deflecting". The far more thoughtful Christian Cat wrote that he does not have an answer for this at the moment. I can respect that. It's OK to say "I don't know". He didn't deflect. He was honestly thinking about it.
     
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    First step is not to make up stories about "HIM" and "HIS" wants and needs.

    Mankind is still in the top of the FIRST INNING of understanding the HUMAN BRAIN. It is laughable to make up myths and fantasies about the creator of the universe.
     
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    How am I deflecting? I directly addressed what you said?

    You need to read the earlier part of Deuteronomy 22, where the rapist is sentenced to death.

    I said:

    And:

    Not sure why you have a problem with me.
     
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    Didn't Karl Marx once say religion is opium for the poor. It seems that religion is for the weak-minded, poor and unhappy. A lot of these athletes ancestors were forced into conversion because they were poor and slaves to the whites. too me it's a bit sad
     
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    But, but , but it's the Word of God! Creator of the Entire Universe!

    Written down by men who had yet to even understand they were standing on a round planet.

    It's nice to have such certitude and self confidence.
     
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    Faith: not wanting to know what is true.

    -Friedrich Nietzsche


    I wouldn't go quite as far but would say this is true about blind faith. None of us really know one way or the other what is really true so keeping an open mind is best.
     
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    yeah, I would definitely disagree with Nietzsche.

    Faith is the final step you take toward a belief that is justifiable but not provable.

    You can put concepts like global warming, evolution, the big bang theory, God, NO God, reincarnation and Christ being the Son of God into this category. There are some signs to suggest that each may be true. But none can be proven. Thus, we look at each, and take our leap of faith.
     
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    global warming and evolution are not theories
     
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    Yes, they are. Neither can be proven.
     
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    No, he didn't. If you want to avoid appearing weak-minded, maybe you should research what he actually said:


    We know how well following that guy worked out, don't we?
     
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    Is this unintentional comedy?
     
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    You should probably quit while you're behind.

    Scientific theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    The first step is admitting you have a problem. Well done!
     
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    thanks, lets just agree to disagree. It's impossible to argue on this, we have two completely differing views.
     
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    I think you should stick to history. Science ain't your bag.
     
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    I'll stick to reality, you can stick to fantasy :rocker:
     
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