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List of guys the Patriots will NOT take

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That's because Belichik was present at that Pro-Day..

Was he? I seem to remember that he was skulking around out of sight and under the radar and did the workouts privately....

Anyway another guy with promise that they dropped was T.J. Turner. I suspect that they knew about some character issues but took a chance with a late round pick and kept him on a short leash...and then he screwed up.

I think that this year the Patriots have enough high picks where they might take a chance on a Johnny Patrick...but not if he does not like to watch film or work out...

What's the rap on Edmond "White Tights" Gates?
 
Was he? I seem to remember that he was skulking around out of sight and under the radar and did the workouts privately....

Anyway another guy with promise that they dropped was T.J. Turner. I suspect that they knew about some character issues but took a chance with a late round pick and kept him on a short leash...and then he screwed up.

I think that this year the Patriots have enough high picks where they might take a chance on a Johnny Patrick...but not if he does not like to watch film or work out...

What's the rap on Edmond "White Tights" Gates?


Belichick was at the Florida Pro Day last year and again this year. It's no secret.

Gates turns 25 this summer. He wasn't a model citizen and wasn't committed to Football until Bernard Scott and Johnny Knox got him into ACU. So he is very raw, though very talented. If he was smart, he'd have been making the jugs machine his friend since the end of school because a huge knock on him was inconsistent hands.
 
Add these guys to this list:

Jimmy Smith - character questions
Ryan Mallett - No need and character questions
Chykie Brown/Rashad Carmichael - The two worst tacklers in the draft in space. BB hates guys who cant tackle.
Chris Rucker - this guy spent some time in jail this season! No way we take him.
Brandon Hogan - arrested three times in college
Jonathan Baldwin - attitude/character issues.
Greg Little - maturity, character, attitude, and work ethic questions. Lied to teams at Combine about thew reasons for his ineligibility according to CNNSI.
Edmond Gates - character issues like most guys from Abilene Christian
Terrance Toliver - character questions
DeAndre Brown - character questions




I take exception to Greg Little, In the interview I saw on the nfl network during the combine, he owned up to what he did. he also worked like crazy to be in great shape for the combine.

Anyways, most character concerns does not prevent bill from drafting you, it may effect where your drafted but that is it.
 
Add to the list:

AJ Green & Julio Jones - little need;
Mark Ingram - little need + health issues;
Bowers - too small + health issues;
Liuget - too small;
Clayborn - too small + health issues;
Aldon Smith - too young/not enough tape;
Any other QB, RB, WR, TE, ILB, NT - not on the 1st day, nor on the 2nd day, either.

Edit: Forgot to add Fairley & Quinn - health, character & experience issues.

I also wouldn't consider a DB until at least the 3rd round.
 
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I take exception to Greg Little, In the interview I saw on the nfl network during the combine, he owned up to what he did. he also worked like crazy to be in great shape for the combine.

Anyways, most character concerns does not prevent bill from drafting you, it may effect where your drafted but that is it.

Take exception all you want but CNNSI reported that he wasnt honest about the reasons behind his ineligibility last year at UNC. Also look at what ESPN says about him, "There are concerns regarding his maturity level, attitude and work ethic". Does that sound like a Patriot? NOOOO!

I like Little and he definitely has a lot of talent. He has amazing ball skills, hes a good route runner, hes big, and hes not afraid to go over the middle. I just don't think BB takes him. BB likes drafting short, quick, route runners.
 
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Any other WR - not on the 1st day, nor on the 2nd day, either.

Eh what???

You think we have little need at WR?

Branch will be 32 when the season starts and has been injury prone for a few years now. Tate didn't show enough last season to be confident about him. Besides Welker I'm not very high on anybody.
 
Eh what???

You think we have little need at WR?

Branch will be 32 when the season starts and has been injury prone for a few years now. Tate didn't show enough last season to be confident about him. Besides Welker I'm not very high on anybody.

Yeah, it's a bit of a concern for me. But I'm not so worried about no "deep threat" (I think Tate's probably enough for now) as I am about guys who can consistently succeed outside the numbers whether deep or not. Unless Price explodes or Henrandez significantly expands his route tree, the only guy who works that part of the field regularly is Branch.

If we're looking to pick up a guy for sideline work, I'd like to see either Hankerson in the 2nd or Pettis in the 3rd/4th. Neither is perfect by any means, but both appear to be solid sideline workers.
 
Adding to this list the top players that are represented by Tom Condon:

AJ Green
Blaine Gabbert
Aldon Smith
JJ Watt
Anthony Castonzo
Aaron Williams
Marcus Cannon
 
Adding to this list the top players that are represented by Tom Condon:

AJ Green
Blaine Gabbert
Aldon Smith
JJ Watt
Anthony Castonzo
Aaron Williams
Marcus Cannon

I'm sticking with this report, since it gives me a glimmer of hope:

There's a notion out there that the Patriots may shy away from drafting Watt because they haven't had good dealings in the past with Condon. But I can't find anyone who's buying that idea. The Pats and Condon went at it in 2004, when he represented New England's first-round pick, tight end Ben Watson. The Patriots reportedly haven't taken a Condon client ever since. Sounds logical, and it's not an implausible scenario, but the reality is there aren't enough good 3-4 defensive ends to be had in any particular draft. If New England is sold on Watt's skill set, it will draft him and deal with his agent as a necessary evil.
NFL pro days offer coaches respite from labor news - Don Banks - SI.com
 
Adding to this list the top players that are represented by Tom Condon:

AJ Green
Blaine Gabbert
Aldon Smith
JJ Watt
Anthony Castonzo
Aaron Williams
Marcus Cannon

I found a list awhile back. IIRC, all the above were CAA clients, but only Watt and Williams were listed as specifically repped by Condon. A couple others were repped by Dogra and the rest just listed as "CAA" with no agent specified.
 
Eh what???

You think we have little need at WR?

Branch will be 32 when the season starts and has been injury prone for a few years now. Tate didn't show enough last season to be confident about him. Besides Welker I'm not very high on anybody.

Neither am I, esp. Bethel Tate.
However, I would prefer to upgrade the WRs during free agency - whenever it arrives,
and during the 3rd day of the draft, or at the earliest with our own 3rd-rounder.
Let's wait & see who's still available among Salas, Doss, Pettis, Ron Johnson, Denarius Moore, etc. by then.

If recent football history has taught us anything, it's that useful WRs & RBs can be acquired
later in the draft - much later, in some cases.
 
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Neither am I, esp. Bethel Tate.
However, I would prefer to upgrade the WRs during free agency - whenever it arrives,
and during the 3rd day of the draft, or at the earliest with our own 3rd-rounder.
Let's wait & see who's still available among Salas, Doss, Pettis, Ron Johnson, Denarius Moore, etc. by then.

If recent football history has taught us anything, it's that useful WRs & RBs can be acquired
later in the draft - much later, in some cases.

Good seeing your name Cousin. Been awhile. I must agree with your post.
DW Toys
 
I found a list awhile back. IIRC, all the above were CAA clients, but only Watt and Williams were listed as specifically repped by Condon. A couple others were repped by Dogra and the rest just listed as "CAA" with no agent specified.

Oh cruel fate; JJ is wearing a Condon. Unless there is an ironclad rookie wage scale we will be Watt-less in NE. Of all the draft trends we try to figure out the Condon-clients-will-not-be-drafted rule is the most reliable alas.

Another Binkie Bites the Dust. But we're good with that right? Remember Dez last year?
 
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Good seeing your name Cousin. Been awhile. I must agree with your post.
DW Toys

I've now moved far enough from the ledge of the Kissing Tower of Hershey,
that my fingers can reach my computer...But if Bill drafts Mark Ingram
- or any other RB or WR or TE or QB with any of our top-75 picks,
I'm climbing back out there.
 
Oh cruel fate; JJ is wearing a Condon. Unless there is an ironclad rookie wage scale we will be Watt-less in NE. Of all the draft trends we try to figure out the Condon-clients-will-not-be-drafted rule is the most reliable alas.

Another Binkie Bites the Dust. But we're good with that right? Remember Dez last year?

Since when was JJ Watt your binky?
 
Oh cruel fate; JJ is wearing a Condon. Unless there is an ironclad rookie wage scale we will be Watt-less in NE. Of all the draft trends we try to figure out the Condon-clients-will-not-be-drafted rule is the most reliable alas.

Another Binkie Bites the Dust. But we're good with that right? Remember Dez last year?

I'm still waiting for that list of "Condon clients we've obviously avoided drafting since 2004, even though we desperately needed them and otherwise would have."
 
I'm still waiting for that list of "Condon clients we've obviously avoided drafting since 2004, even though we desperately needed them and otherwise would have."

Ah... how about your list of Condon-covered players the Patriots drafted since Watson? You go first.

It sucks about Aldon Smith and JJ Watt. Maybe the Patriots will soften their stance with a rookie wage scale or maybe (probably) there won't be any training camp to hold out against (but I guess Mr Rubber can hold them out of the season).
 
We have drafted any player because we desparately needed them. That simply isn't belichick's style.

I'm still waiting for that list of "Condon clients we've obviously avoided drafting since 2004, even though we desperately needed them and otherwise would have."
 
I've now moved far enough from the ledge of the Kissing Tower of Hershey,
that my fingers can reach my computer...But if Bill drafts Mark Ingram
- or any other RB or WR or TE or QB with any of our top-75 picks,
I'm climbing back out there.

Not sure about Ingram, but I would bet you a gigantic Hershey bar that a skill position player goes in the top 75. And to be honest, I feel as though we can use youth and speed in those positions--particularly if you are looking ahead to next year. I believe that we have a bit of a luxury in this draft, with little needs + coming off a 14-2 record.

Brady is still always going to be our greatest asset, and why not surround him with talent too? You already said you don't care for Tate (or aren't 'sold' on him--me neither), and Branch and Welker are due to be UFA's after the season (obviously hoping we keep Welker).

The RB position consists of an overachieving player who may or may not be able to duplicate his success (FWIW--I love him and have stood by him since day one), and a 3rd down back or two. We will almost certainly draft a RB in the first 2 1/2 rounds (your number '75' ).

As far as backup QB--that is the ONLY position that really cannot be replaced, and once again, with a luxury in the draft + a plethora of QB talent, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we took a backup QB in the first 2-3 rounds. Why not?? Especially if there's talent to be had at the position. Why wait for other years when the talent seems to be there now? We have seen great backup QB's groomed under Vets before (see SB winner Rodgers/Favre). Why waste the pick on another Wheatley, Gus Scott, or Garrett Mills who will never make an impact and be lucky to see the field when you can use the pick to grab your future QB + improve on our starting 53 now?? (with a backup QB, or maybe you're sold on Hoyer?)

Yes, yes, yes--we all know about the front 7 woes, and there's an obvious likelihood that BB will take at least ONE if not TWO front 7 picks. But, does Belichick agree with us? (the all knowing fanbase)

He may very well be good with taking his chances with Stroud/Deaderick at RDE, in addition to even signing another free agent when it's time. We already have :

Ty Warren
Wilfork
Brace
Stroud
Pryor
Deaderick
Wright
(possibly G.Warren???--although we 'think' it's doubtful)
Love
Richards
(possible free agent/mid to late round draft pick/possible EARLY pick)

That's a lot of players for 3-4 positions, especially considering how all of the so-called 'experts' on the board told me last year "There's no need to keep SEVEN guys on the DL, we only keep SIX. There's no way, blah, blah, blah"

Yet somehow we kept 7---go figure Regardless, there very well may not be as huge of a need that Belichick sees at the position, although I certainly expect ONE early DE pick
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As far as the LB's go, again, usually not BB's nature to take first round LB'ers. Again, he may feel as though taking ONE earlier pick (by round 2) is PLENTY sufficient, and that with Ty Warren coming back, the addition of Stroud, and an early DE--that may very well be enough to open up the LB'ers, especially a guy like Cunningham....OR, he could also target one in free agency.

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As far as the Offensive line goes, it all depends on if Belichick thinks Light will be coming back OR if he's pretty sure that Mankins will play for his 10 million dollar franchise tender (duh?, I think he will). The point is, again, this is another position that may not be as DIRE as we fans think it is. Belichick may feel as though he can add a mid round pick or 2, OR maybe add some mid round picks AND a possible free agent (when he's able)

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The bottom line is that only one man knows what his analysis of the positional needs are, and how HE (not us) intends on addressing those needs. We can only guess as to what he'll do, but in my opinion, our 'needs' are nowhere near what most of the fanbase thinks they are. I think that a lot of posters are so excited to have EARLY draft picks spent on these positions, (and I'm sure there will be a couple--pretty sure ), that they forget that these so-called 'needs' will also be addressed in the mid to later rounds too.

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In my humble opinion, we are a lot closer to being a 14-2 team again than some realize, and in this particular draft, we have the LUXURY of still being able to draft BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE--
-something Bill Belichick is used to. Sure, that will likely include an early DE, and maybe even an early OL, but that does not mean that a RB, WR, or QB cannot/will not be taken in the first 2 1/2 (your magic number of '75') either.

You very well may be walking back to that ledge, Cap'n
 
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