Likely Receiving core: What do you think?

[Deus Irae]

For one, you're overrating his production. For another, we're not in need of a "wasn't so bad" type of guy. We're in need of an improvement over what Lloyd gave us at the position. Now, if Jones wants to battle it out for Branch's position, then I'm fine with that. I said in the thread when he got announced here that he was at least an upgrade over Branch at this point. But we need more than Donald Jones when it comes to flanker.

Here's a nugget about Jones.

He's played in 33 career games and has 82 career catches. He's played 4 games against the Patriots and has 18 catches in those 4 games (4.5 catches per game). So, if you take the Patriots games out of the equation, Jones has 64 catches in 29 games (2.2 catches per game).

Also, his career yardage is 887. His yardage in the 4 Patriots games is 319. So, vs. the Patriots, he averages 4.5 catches and 79.75 yards per game. Against the rest of the league, he averages 2.2 catches and 19.5 yards per game. He's also scored 2 of his 6 TDs against the Patriots.

 

[Brady6]

Are you related to Jones? You expect him to start and have at least 50 catches and 700 yards, and would be shocked if this didn't happen?

1) He has never done this ever in his career.

2) He has a long-term injury and has missed half the games over the past 2 years.

3) The team that drafted didn't even think him worth a minimum tender.

4) The patriots brought him as competition since he cost exactly zero, no bonus whatsoever. Perhaps he had better offers that he rejected; that seems unlikely. Belichick took a no-cost flyer on Jones, pure and simple.

5) BTW, I would hope for more from my #2 receiver than 50 catches for 700 yards. That was not considered enough for last year's #2. But perhaps you do not expect our starting flanker to be our #2 WR.

My hope and expectation is that Jones replaces Branch. However, I would not be surprised if Jones doesn't make the 53 man roster.

MG what do you know about Jones?

He missed 12 games over the last 2 years. So for those who can't do simple math that is he played in 62.5% of his NFL games not half the games.

He had an ankle injury in 2011 and a calf injury in 2012. Long term injuries? What is a long term injury anyway? Heard of a long term illness but a long term injury is new to me. Maybe you meant major injuries? Which an ankle and calf injury aren't either.

So Jones agreed to a contract to be camp competition on March 16th? UFA started on the 12th at 4pm and Jones decided 3 plus days was long enough that he should just accept chance to just compete for a roster spot? Color me stupid but I think he'd of given it a little longer than that. Wow!

Oh and wait BB prioritized Jones ahead of every UFA other than Amendola and Washington because he was the 3rd player we signed. Got to get this camp competition players signed first is our new motto?

What round was Jones drafted in? Because last I checked he was a UDFA.

Really depends on how many targets he gets what is acceptable out of Jones. But if he got 130 passes thrown his way I'm willing to bet he'd go for over a thousand yards like the other 95% of players who got targeted that many times unlike your boy Lloyd.

So obviously you read his stat line on espn.com and have absolutely no clue what your talking about, well I watch him in college on tv and live, followed him throughout his 3 year career and watched 80% of his pro games I think I'm a little more equipped to determine what Jones can and can't do than you.

If you want to follow me around and disagree with everything I write that's fine but at least do a little more homework than googling clicking in espn and then miss adding some games and assuming non existing ?long term injuries?

 

[Brady6]

Here's a nugget about Jones.

He's played in 33 career games and has 82 career catches. He's played 4 games against the Patriots and has 18 catches in those 4 games (4.5 catches per game). So, if you take the Patriots games out of the equation, Jones has 64 catches in 29 games (2.2 catches per game).

Yes we should subtract those games against division champion they don't count at all..

 

[Brady6]

Here's a nugget about Jones.

He's played in 33 career games and has 82 career catches. He's played 4 games against the Patriots and has 18 catches in those 4 games (4.5 catches per game). So, if you take the Patriots games out of the equation, Jones has 64 catches in 29 games (2.2 catches per game).

Here's a nugget on your boy Wes Welker 900 pounds of butterfingers delivered to him within 7 days of the most important game of his career.

SB 2 games, 0 touchdowns, 9 yards per catch and the biggest drop in franchise history..

 

[belichick010405]

Hi Jax - I don't know if you read the Boston Herald story about both Donald Jones and Danny Amendola but here it is. Interesting......

NFL Notes: Ex-Bills mate lauds Donald Jones | Boston Herald

 

[Rob0729]

If the Pats get Sanders, I think the receiving corp has some decent potential. There is a number of factors that we have to consider:

• Amendola - Biggest thing with his is his health concerns. If he can stay healthy, he might be a 1,000 plus yard receiver. He brings more dimensions than Welker brings including being able to play outside and more of a vertical threat. I am not saying he is better than Welker, just more versatile.
• Sanders - I think he was a poor system fit in Pittsburgh. Sanders is a quick route runner. Roethlisberger is most effective when he can run around in the backfield and huck it up there when his receivers are open. He doesn't have a quick release. Brady's quick release plays into Sanders' strengths. He does have injury issues too. He is still more potential than production.
• Jenkins - Jenkins has been a solid #2 to #3 WR for most of his career. Could be a solid #3 here. Still will have to fight for a roster spot, but could be good in Branch's role from last year and probably an upgrade.
• Edelman - We saw what he could do early in the season before he got injured. After a slow start, he turned into a valuable receiver (granted for a very short timeframe). Probably not as a starter, but a guy off the bench. Injuries and consistency are the biggest concerns about him.
• Jones - Has shown some flashes as the Bills' #2 WR last year especially vs. the Pats, but never have been consistent. Never going to be more than a number #2 on this team. Probably the #3 or #4. Strong blocker and is physical. Could thrive in this role. He did make a big leap from year two to year three in Buffalo even with Fitpatrick continuing to regress. Another injury concern.

I am not down on this receiving corp as others. It could actually be a good receiving corp if they can stay healthy.

Funny, I was reading Jets Insider about the Sanders tender and Jets fans seem to think more of the Pats' receiving corp than the Pats fans do. Many of them feel Sanders and Amendola will be studs in this offense. They could be right.

One thing for sure, the 2006 receiving corp comparisons are off base. This bunch is far more talented than the 2006 group.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Here's a nugget on your boy Wes Welker 900 pounds of butterfingers delivered to him within 7 days of the most important game of his career.

SB 2 games, 0 touchdowns, 9 yards per catch and the biggest drop in franchise history..

God you're one of those fans aren't you? :bricks::bricks:

Jones will have around 1,300 yards this year and about 15 TDs. What a stud that guy is.

Here's a nugget on ya boiii wes:

672 catches in 6 years..one of if not the best WR in pats history over a 6 year span

 

[mgteich]

Jax should wear a scarlet letter. He is indeed on of those fans.

God you're one of those fans aren't you? :bricks::bricks:

Jones will have around 1,300 yards this year and about 15 TDs. What a stud that guy is.

 

[Brady6]

God you're one of those fans aren't you? :bricks::bricks:

Jones will have around 1,300 yards this year and about 15 TDs. What a stud that guy is.

Here's a nugget on ya boiii wes:

672 catches in 6 years..one of if not the best WR in pats history over a 6 year span

Here's a nugget for you Randy Moss had 12 more touchdowns than Welker in 3.25 seasons with us. Not saying I don't like Welker and appreciate what he did but playing offense in the NFL is about scoring points. If you're limited in the red zone, your yards per catch drop below 10 yards career in the postseason and then drop the ball when it really matters the most how much value do you really hold? The reality is Danny Woodhead put the ball in the end zone for almost twice as many times last year.

If a doctor kills a patient in surgery they don't say well he did such a good job on those other surgeries in his career what's the big deal. I will tell you one thing BM I'm not one of those fans but I am the type of guy that if a company gave me $20+ mil over the last six years to do a job and when it mattered most I failed the company the last ******* thing I'm going to do is join their biggest competition I don't give a **** how they treated me I'm the failure and I'm going to make it up to them. I'd blow my brains out that offseason if I screwed up like he did what did he do he married a hooters girl and got hair implants. I have no use for Welker and anyone who supports him over the Patriots.

 

[Brady6]

Jax should wear a scarlet letter. He is indeed on of those fans.

What are you? Besides my stalker that leaves inaccurate information on as many of my posts as possible? I got no issue with you but if you got one with me either get over it or be a real man and speak your mind because this crap is tired at this point.

 

[captain stone]

Here's a nugget about Jones.

He's played in 33 career games and has 82 career catches. He's played 4 games against the Patriots and has 18 catches in those 4 games (4.5 catches per game). So, if you take the Patriots games out of the equation, Jones has 64 catches in 29 games (2.2 catches per game).

Also, his career yardage is 887. His yardage in the 4 Patriots games is 319. So, vs. the Patriots, he averages 4.5 catches and 79.75 yards per game. Against the rest of the league, he averages 2.2 catches and 19.5 yards per game. He's also scored 2 of his 6 TDs against the Patriots.

Sadly, that reminds me of the Red Sux trading Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater because Cater
used to kill Dead Sux pitching...or signing Mike Napoli for the same reason.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Aside from his 2 games against the Patriots last year in which he caught 13 balls for 164 yards and 2 touchdowns what games of Jones have you watched? Because all I see is a guy who writes based on what he reads on espn.com and is clueless to his capabilities, talent level and his production based on opportunity.

I watched him in college and all 3 years of the pro's and watched 80% of his games, how about you?

So you've watched him be mediocre for 3 years? Congratulations. Production is production and he doesn't have any.

And yes his games against us do count, but when they make up a large chunk of his stats even a blind Jones lover would begin to wonder whats up. And then maybe you would realize that we had one of the worst pass defenses in the history of the NFL 2 years ago and last year still had a **** secondary against the Bills both times.

But yes lets act like Jones is anything but a possible upgrade over Branch.

And as someone that didn't really mind Welker leaving if the money was too much (which it certainly was not and its a damn shame they lost a player of his caliber to one of our AFC rivals) it is a mockery to even talk about Welker when discussing Donald Jones except to say how incredibly mediocre Jones production is in comparison to Welker's. It is not even in the same solar system.

 

[Kontradiction]

Aside from his 2 games against the Patriots last year in which he caught 13 balls for 164 yards and 2 touchdowns what games of Jones have you watched? Because all I see is a guy who writes based on what he reads on espn.com and is clueless to his capabilities, talent level and his production based on opportunity.

I watched him in college and all 3 years of the pro's and watched 80% of his games, how about you?

I try to watch every interdivision game. So I saw both games against the Pats, both games against the Dolphins, the second Jets game, the 49ers game, the Texans game, and the Jags game (unfortunately). And your point is?

 

[Kontradiction]

Here's a nugget about Jones.

He's played in 33 career games and has 82 career catches. He's played 4 games against the Patriots and has 18 catches in those 4 games (4.5 catches per game). So, if you take the Patriots games out of the equation, Jones has 64 catches in 29 games (2.2 catches per game).

Also, his career yardage is 887. His yardage in the 4 Patriots games is 319. So, vs. the Patriots, he averages 4.5 catches and 79.75 yards per game. Against the rest of the league, he averages 2.2 catches and 19.5 yards per game. He's also scored 2 of his 6 TDs against the Patriots.

Yeah. He made up the bulk of his yardage these past couple of years against a bad secondary.

 

[Brady6]

So you've watched him be mediocre for 3 years? Congratulations. Production is production and he doesn't have any.

Really because in 12 games having 41 catches, 443 on 67 targets in 670 snaps in 2012 isn't mediocre.

 

[Brady6]

So you've watched him be mediocre for 3 years? Congratulations. Production is production and he doesn't have any.

And yes his games against us do count, but when they make up a large chunk of his stats even a blind Jones lover would begin to wonder whats up. And then maybe you would realize that we had one of the worst pass defenses in the history of the NFL 2 years ago and last year still had a **** secondary against the Bills both times.

But yes lets act like Jones is anything but a possible upgrade over Branch.

And as someone that didn't really mind Welker leaving if the money was too much (which it certainly was not and its a damn shame they lost a player of his caliber to one of our AFC rivals) it is a mockery to even talk about Welker when discussing Donald Jones except to say how incredibly mediocre Jones production is in comparison to Welker's. It is not even in the same solar system.

First who compared Jones to Welker because I've said he was an outside SE WR. I just added nugget about Wes because the owed to Wes crap is grown old at this point. Welker is a trader that's a fact. You go into the military and the terrorists offer you something better than Obama and your turn your a trader and a embarrassment to your country it doesn't matter how many times you fought on the US behalf before that decision. Welker is no different than that in my eyes a weak worthless trader.

Ill take a replacement for Branch I personally think replacing a SB MVP is more important than a 0-2 overrated slot receiver anyway.

 

[Brady6]

Hi Jax - I don't know if you read the Boston Herald story about both Donald Jones and Danny Amendola but here it is. Interesting......

NFL Notes: Ex-Bills mate lauds Donald Jones | Boston Herald

Thanks bro! good read.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Really because in 12 games having 41 catches, 443 on 67 targets in 670 snaps in 2012 isn't mediocre.

37 yards per game and 3.4 catches per game is the definition of mediocre. When you take out his numbers against one of the worst secondaries in the NFL (who he will not get to play against since he is now on this team) his numbers go to 28 yards per game and 3.3 catches per game, further demonstrating his mediocrity.

First who compared Jones to Welker because I've said he was an outside SE WR. I just added nugget about Wes because the owed to Wes crap is grown old at this point. Welker is a trader that's a fact. You go into the military and the terrorists offer you something better than Obama and your turn your a trader and a embarrassment to your country it doesn't matter how many times you fought on the US behalf before that decision. Welker is no different than that in my eyes a weak worthless trader.

Ill take a replacement for Branch I personally think replacing a SB MVP is more important than a 0-2 overrated slot receiver anyway.

You are the one bringing Welker's failures in to this as a comparison as to why we should think more highly of Jones. At least that is what your rambling about Welker implied.

You must be completely delusional when people say Branch replacement they mean the guy that had 12 more yards this entire season than the SB MVP branch had in SB 39 alone. Your point makes no sense at all we aren't talking about that branch, maybe that is why you think so highly of Jones you think you are getting some kind of SB MVP replacement.

Donald Jones stinks and probably won't even make the team, it is absolutely idiotic to compare him AGAIN to Welker, which you claim to not be doing. That overrated slot receiver had just as many touchdowns over THREE TIMES the yards and was on the field for every game unlike Donald Jones.

I completely ignored your point about Welker being a "trader" because I could not fathom how a grown man (? You may be a 5 year old) could confuse the word trader with traitor. I guess my only response to that is what does Wes trade in? Peanuts?

Overall your infatuation with a JAG receiver is really strange, I'm not sure what more there is to say on the topic. Jones has mediocre production at the NFL level and until he demonstrates otherwise he is a mediocre player.

 

[strngplyr]

First who compared Jones to Welker because I've said he was an outside SE WR. I just added nugget about Wes because the owed to Wes crap is grown old at this point. Welker is a trader that's a fact. You go into the military and the terrorists offer you something better than Obama and your turn your a trader and a embarrassment to your country it doesn't matter how many times you fought on the US behalf before that decision. Welker is no different than that in my eyes a weak worthless trader.

Ill take a replacement for Branch I personally think replacing a SB MVP is more important than a 0-2 overrated slot receiver anyway.

The only embarrassment I felt was the shame of reading this post.

How old are you, I'm guessing around 15, tops.

 

[Kontradiction]

Here's a nugget for you Randy Moss had 12 more touchdowns than Welker in 3.25 seasons with us. Not saying I don't like Welker and appreciate what he did but playing offense in the NFL is about scoring points. If you're limited in the red zone, your yards per catch drop below 10 yards career in the postseason and then drop the ball when it really matters the most how much value do you really hold? The reality is Danny Woodhead put the ball in the end zone for almost twice as many times last year.

In the red area, the team usually tried to toss it to the TE's, who are very big match-up problems down there. They were correct in calling plays that tried to get the TE's open first and foremost. Inside the ten yard line, the team would usually try to run it in. They were also correct in doing so. Welker was a slot receiver who still got the ball in the end zone a good amount of times. But you have to look at the play calling and the way this offense was set up before slamming Welker for something that you really should not be slamming him for.

If a doctor kills a patient in surgery they don't say well he did such a good job on those other surgeries in his career what's the big deal. I will tell you one thing BM I'm not one of those fans but I am the type of guy that if a company gave me $20+ mil over the last six years to do a job and when it mattered most I failed the company the last ******* thing I'm going to do is join their biggest competition I don't give a **** how they treated me I'm the failure and I'm going to make it up to them. I'd blow my brains out that offseason if I screwed up like he did what did he do he married a hooters girl and got hair implants. I have no use for Welker and anyone who supports him over the Patriots.

There is so much fail here...