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I know we all want to know what's going on with the offense, but we are waiting on signings and draft picks and those will happen when they happen. What we do know about is this defense. I don't know if they will be adding any more major pieces too it. Outside of a little more DL depth (and who can't use more?) it seems good to go as of now. Assuming Barmore comes back and is 100% they look to be potentially one of the top Ds in the NFL as things stand now.

Lets' go position by position look at who i think are the key players

DT/NT - Milton, Barmore, Tonga, Pharms - Milton/Barmore can make for a devastating pass rush tandom up the middle. Tonga is a solid nose tackle and the answer to this group being undersized and one of the sneaky important signings. Pharms is a pretty good back up... not an elite one, but a solid one and will see rotational snaps routinely.

EDGE - Landry, White, Chaisson, Jennings - This spot could use a one more body to help out, but it is looking pretty good. First off i don't care how PFF grades him, Landry still finds ways to get home and cause some chaos, even if not as much as once. White is one of the underrated pass rushers in the NFL. Chaisson is all about 'can he repeat last year'? I think he can. Scheme and growing into his abilities helped him out. I see him doing well here. Could he be this teams Jennings is a rotational guy but also very good against the run. As is Landry. For all the fears about the interior potentially being soft, the outside seems very sturdy.

LB - Spillane, Gibbins, Bentley, Ellis - Spillane seems good at everything but coverage. Gibbens is graded higher everywhere for what its worth, but by the tape i think he's at his best in coverage, which makes sense as these signings compliment. Ellis will do some back up duty but i also think he may move to the edge at times to help with the pass rush. Bentley will of course still see snaps, but i think he will no longer see the kind of snaps he did before, not cause he's worth but because the guys around him are better. To me this is a very solid under sold group. And perhaps the best as far as quality depth.

CB - Gonzo, Carlton, M. Jones - We don't need to talk about Gonzalez as the 1 or Carlton as the 2 and what that means. We should talk about Jones being underrated as a nickle guy. Not that he's amazing... but solid there. That to me is the thing people aren't talking about that they should. But the question here is depth. They really don't have anyone i think is of not after the top 3. Certainly worth a signing or draft pick. A bit of an underated weakness, but the top end talent is there.

S - Dugger Epps, Peppers, Hawkins - The question here is simply... what is the deal with Dugger? 2nd Highest paid guy on the roster... and laid an egg last year. What gives? He certain was playing much better when he got his contract. He had a good start to the season too IIRC. Let's hope he rebounds... if so i really like this spot. Epps is another underrated signing and will be a quality starter for this team. Peppers had a good year last year in his back up role and will see most of the back up snaps. Hawkins not as good but still solid imo. As a 4th emergency guy he is a fantastic option.

? - Mapu was good as well when he played... but he is somewhere between a S and LB... So i don't know what they plan to do with him on this D. He may be at his best as a surprise pass rusher, but he can cover decently. I'm curious how MV will use him.

Overall i like there talent everywhere and it seems very well designed. Pass rush first... with good pursuit and contain with the LBs and edge players who won't let runs break out much. Very solid coverage... and Safety should be well improved with keeping plays in front of them. They could use another CB, DL and Edge guy in the draft... but they don't need to use a high pick on anything and are good to go right now. I see this D if healthy having top 5 potential. Maybe even top 3. I think they are well designed to make an offense grind and earn it. Can get after any QB and have enough speed to chase down the ones who can run. Though people have called them undersized upon review i don't see them being run over with Tonge, Jennings and those LBs and solid edge run stoppers.

I don't think TEs are a particular weakness as they have the match ups to attack that well. IDK how i feel about their answer to a shifty RB going out for a pass, but they will at least limit the damage when it happens.
 
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But what about Tavai lol.

Definitely could use another edge rusher and some depth at corner.

Corner depth can easily be added in the draft to compete with Austin. Also we are deep at safety and light at CB but in this day and age I don't think that's as big an issue because the Safeties can back up nickel and dime and some situations are even preferred due to better play in the run game and tackling.

Edge might be a little harder to find but maybe we get Carter to really put the d over the top.
 
Landry still finds ways to get home and chaos some chaos...

I don't know about anyone else but I think that's what we need more of on D.
We need us a roster full of guys that can get out there and chaos up some chaos
 
I am not so happy like you are with DT and edge back up quality
Tonga sucks , otherwise he wouldn’t sign a one year bare minimum deal because he would have other suitors
I think we could use more competition here, I would like to see cj West or jamaree Caldwell selected to battle for the big body DT roster spot
is white really an underrated pass rusher? Landry needs stunts etc to get home but I am confident here with Williams you have a very athletic DT to create chaos by using stunts and different formations
Lb and secondary should be fine imo with a good d-line
 
One more quality edge rusher would be great. That also lets you play white more inside. But i still think id try and draft a DL too given the uncertainty with Barmore and it is a good draft for it.

You can always use more cb’s but i think the depth is okay with Austin as a #4. Is bolden still around? Dial looked okay against buffalo in the limited action i was able to see, it could use another body i guess. Also unsure about our fs situation, they passed on alot of options there in fa. Not sure if they are eyeing the draft for that or feel they have an answer on the roster. I thought jon jones could have helped at both areas too but again Vrabel must have something in mind there.

Edge would be one of my priorities in this draft.
 
Positives:

Inside pressure should be good if Barmore is healthy and White is used inside there.

We have good box safeties.

Our LBs should be stout vs. the run.

Great, great man coverage duo on the outside with Gonzo/Davis.



Negatives:

Their DTs suck vs the run. Tonga is a potential camp cut, not a real solution.

White is a terrible pass rusher on the edge because whatever he gives you in terms of pressure he gives back the offense in terms of not having any concept of QB contain. Jennings shouldn't be on the field on pass rush downs. Chaisson is a situational player at best. Landry had good sack total but if the tape shows that he can't actually beat his man anymore and relies on schemed pressures, then we're not going to be able to generate any pass rush off the edge outside of obvious passing situations where they can play Chaisson and run stunts with

Our LB coverage sucks, will likely be amongst the worst in the NFL.

We signed a guy who can line up at FS, but his athleticism is poor so he's weak in coverage overall. There will be a cap on how much they can benefit from their man coverage duo because they don't have personnel to only play 1 deep safety a ton.




I don't see top 5 potential AT ALL. I see middle of the pack at best. I'd say we're closer to bad than we are to really good still. But lots of progress was made, just can't understate how terrible a position we were starting form.
 
If Carter is the pick at #4, Jennings can kiss his roster spot goodbye.

Tavai unfortunately stays due to the dead cap hit, while Bentley's is favorable. Look for Bentley to be shown the door if he doesn't pick it up quickly in camp.

Mapu has 9 lives and is thanking his lucky stars a S wasn't signed in FA.

Marcus Jones is going to get picked on a lot as he's been since entering the league.
 
If Carter is the pick at #4, Jennings can kiss his roster spot goodbye.

Tavai unfortunately stays due to the dead cap hit, while Bentley's is favorable. Look for Bentley to be shown the door if he doesn't pick it up quickly in camp.

Mapu has 9 lives and is thanking his lucky stars a S wasn't signed in FA.

Marcus Jones is going to get picked on a lot as he's been since entering the league.
I wouldn't say Jennings is gone if we draft Carter. As a rookie, Carter probably contributes more as a pass rusher than he does on running downs. Same as Chaisson.

Landry
Carter
Jennings
Chaisson
White (lots of snaps inside too)
Tavai (also a depth LB)

looks like a healthy, full depth chart to me. I don't see any need to subtract someone from it. I'd even argue Jennings should start opposite Landry there since White plays with no discipline for setting the edge and Carter (as a rookie)/Chaisson are likely pass rush specialists.
 
I am not so happy like you are with DT and edge back up quality
Tonga sucks , otherwise he wouldn’t sign a one year bare minimum deal because he would have other suitors
I think we could use more competition here, I would like to see cj West or jamaree Caldwell selected to battle for the big body DT roster spot
is white really an underrated pass rusher? Landry needs stunts etc to get home but I am confident here with Williams you have a very athletic DT to create chaos by using stunts and different formations
Lb and secondary should be fine imo with a good d-line
I agree on the Edge, DT, and with Bentley gone, a run stopping LB. R3, R4 and R5 respectively plus there are still short term FAs available.
 
I think DT will be a surprise higher pick than we realize. The only proven & healthy starter is Williams.
Sure, Barmore could be - but GM's can't count on dangerous health issues.
Tonga & Pharms are not cornerstones, they are 2nd tier / backup.
So we need at least 1 more sure-thing on the DL.
 
I think DT will be a surprise higher pick than we realize. The only proven & healthy starter is Williams.
Sure, Barmore could be - but GM's can't count on dangerous health issues.
Tonga & Pharms are not cornerstones, they are 2nd tier / backup.
So we need at least 1 more sure-thing on the DL.
I’d like Texas DL Alfred Collins depending on if they see him as a fit in their system. Raw, but with the work ethic & proper coaching…look out…










 
If Carter is the pick at #4, Jennings can kiss his roster spot goodbye.

Tavai unfortunately stays due to the dead cap hit, while Bentley's is favorable. Look for Bentley to be shown the door if he doesn't pick it up quickly in camp.

Mapu has 9 lives and is thanking his lucky stars a S wasn't signed in FA.

Marcus Jones is going to get picked on a lot as he's been since entering the league.
We did sign a S if free agency, starting caliber, Epps.
Mapu may be moved to LB

Jennings is a very good run defender, he will have a spot
 
I think DT will be a surprise higher pick than we realize. The only proven & healthy starter is Williams.
Sure, Barmore could be - but GM's can't count on dangerous health issues.
Tonga & Pharms are not cornerstones, they are 2nd tier / backup.
So we need at least 1 more sure-thing on the DL.
I agree. It's not a critical as LT or WR but it's probably the 3rd biggest need on the roster - especially since they want their DTs to be able to apply pressure.
 
The defense looks good, not yet great, but top 10 is in sight.

A stud edge and a good deep safety would tilt the scales.
 
I agree. It's not a critical as LT or WR but it's probably the 3rd biggest need on the roster - especially since they want their DTs to be able to apply pressure.
Thankfully, it's the one real spot where there's depth down the board.

Like, they also desperately need a field safety, and could really use another corner (unless they get Hunter).
 
Does anyone know about clotting issues
Is it chronic or acute?
 
Does anyone know about clotting issues
Is it chronic or acute?
Depends. Crap answer, but it's the truth.
The fact Barmore's had it more than once isn't a great sign long term.
 
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