Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness(X3 Merged)

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

My argument has been well established in countless other threads on Maroney'. Do some homework and read up. I'm sorry if you can't take the blinders off and see what a waste of a 1st rd pick and what a mediocre player(at best) that Maroney truly is, but I can and have for weeks now. I can voice my opinion whether you like it or not.

Your argument has proven to be worthless and unfounded in countless other Maroney threads. Your suppositions are flawed and you don't bother to look at the entire picture.

Yes, you can voice your opinion on Maroney. But every time you do, it just reinforces for everyone how much of an idiot you are.

 

[PATRIOTS-80]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Your argument has proven to be worthless and unfounded in countless other Maroney threads. Your suppositions are flawed and you don't bother to look at the entire picture.

Yes, you can voice your opinion on Maroney. But every time you do, it just reinforces for everyone how much of an idiot you are.

NSA's obsession with Maroney reminds of NEM's obsession with McDaniels and Hobbs.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

The problem with your supposition is that you cannot create extra carries out of thin air. If Maroney has been running the ball ineffectively, what will the staff naturally do, why pass it of course. Maroney's own ineffectiveness when handed the ball has led to fewer carries for him. I sense that the coaching staff has lost faith in Maroney. And with his actual production of 3.04 ypc over the last 5 games in mind, who can blame them?

If you sense that the coaching staff has lost faith in Maroney, you'd be a friggin IDIOT. Totally and utterly. You attribute Maroney's ineffectiveness STRICTLY to Maroney and you IGNORE all the other relevant facts. Like the O-line NOT blocking well. Like the game plans PURPOSELY being geared to the PASS because the Pats coaching staff CHOOSES (and rightly so) not to run the ball against the best run defenses in the league. You discount that Brady is probably the BEST QB ever and that the Receiving corps is amongst the best. You fail to acknowledge that by RUNNING Maroney into a stout defense as teams like the Ravens and Steelers have, you are handicapping the Pats.

You also fail to address the issue of Maroney vs back to back "doormat" teams in the upcoming weeks. If Maroney fails to produce against the #30 and #32 ranked run defenses, can you admit that there is a PROBLEM?

There is NOTHING to address. Its just you talking out your behind again because, if Maroney does run well, you'll say that the reason he did is because of the doormat defenses he was facing. So, Maroney is damned either way.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Again, you guys read what you want to read. I have used countless stats and facts about other premier running backs and how Maroney doesn't measure up. I'm not going to rehash it. You can do some homework and find those posts or you can ignore my posts altogether. I don't care. Just like you have an "opinion" that Maroney does not get more carries because we are a passing offense, I also have an "opinion" that a running back that was GOOD ENOUGH would be getting carries in this offense because it would make our offense even more lethal and hard to defend if the oppossing defense didn't know what to expect. Marony doesn't get carries because he is a MEDIOCRE player that is not GOOD ENOUGH to get more involved in the offense. The BEST players play. Maroney is not one of our BEST players. Not even close. That, my friend, is MY OPINION. Either accept it or ignore my posts. Because, at the end of the day, Mr. Mediocre has had a MEDIOCRE season(to say the least) and that is not my fault.

No. What you did is compare Maroney, a 2nd year back, to guys who put up stellar seasons in their 6th or 8th year.

When it was pointed out to you that one of your examples mimiced Maroney's production, you ignored it. If you need a reminder, go look up Robert Smith's 2nd season. A whopping 31 carries for 103 yards. Yet, 3 years later, you tout him as the next coming because of his great production for the 1998 vikings.

It was also pointed out to you that the offenses those teams ran were significantly different in how they used their RBs. Yet you chose to IGNORE that as well.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

True or False, over the last 5 games Maroney has a a 3.04 YPC? TRUE. Sorry, but you cannot turn a truth into a falsehood. That's just simple logic.

True or False. Against Buffalo, the game was over before the end of the 1st half. TRUE.

True or False: Philly, Baltimore and Pittsburgh were all top 10 run defense teams (Top 3 when you look at just Baltimore and Pittsburgh). TRUE.

YOU can not turn truth into a falsehood. That's just simple LOGIC.

Follow your own damn advice for a change.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Bro, we have no QUALITY running backs. Kevin Faulk is a great 3rd down back and that's it. So because Eckel and Evans don't get carries, that justifies a 1st Rd Pick NOT getting carries? Puhleaze. You act like we have a STABLE on great backs that BB chooses not to use. NONE of these guys get carries because they are not GOOD ENOUGH. That includes Mr. MEDIOCRE.

ALL YOU MARONEY HATERS, Why would the Pats RUN THE BALL against the BEST RUN DEFENSES in the league that have WEAK PASS Defenses when they have Brady, Moss, Welker, Watson, Stallworth, Gaffney, and Faulk?

Lets see how smart you really are.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

All very good points. CHFF's analysis of the Patriots as a credible running threat included Sammy Morris' numbers. Take away Sammy Morris, and the Pats run game looks a whole lot less robust. In fact Maroney's numbers have declined rapidly without Morris in there to share the load. I'm pretty sure by now that you are aware that Maroney has had a 3.04 YPC over the last 5 games.

I find it amusing how the people who were devoutly defending Maroney with that YPC stat, suddenly find that YPC has become an irrelevant and worthless stat. So there you have it - in both overall production and YPC, Maroney has been going straight downhill over the last 5 games. Let's just hope he can "redeem" himself against the worst run defenses in the NFL coming up, the Jets #30 and the Dolphins #32.

I was also surprised that Pitt bit on the play action, but like BB said, "we've played against better safties all season long."

Sammy Morris.

He was running great and I firmly believe he would have taken the #1 spot before too long.

His loss hurt more than we thought.

Granted, we're winning, so it's all good, but at some point, we're gonna need to be able to run the clock and grind out first downs on the ground.

Maroney gets 8 carries because he is ineffective.

I can think of another 10-12 plays where I am sure they would have run if they had confidence in their back. Instead, they went to screens.

What amazes me about the Pats is that they can be effective in play action without having a running threat.

Think about that for a second.

That's pretty awesome!

 

[PatsRI]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

You gotta give him he sells the play action fake really well.

 

[Tunescribe]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I haven't bothered going through all the posts in this thread, but has anyone mentioned that whenever Maroney is in the game, he *likely* carries the ball? It's easy for defenses to key on the guy. What I can't figure out is why they run him up the middle so much and don't seem to have him running many pitches or sweeps. Maroney is not a power back. He needs to work in space where he has a chance to employ his strongest move, which is the cutback.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Oh wow, like we should be convinced by your GREAT argument that Maroney is a victim of playing on a great passing offense???? LOL!!! Ya, ok, buddy. Somehow I don't think LT would have a problem getting into the gameplan if he was on this team. Keep chugging the kool-aid.

LT = HOF ELITE.

No one has said Maroney is that level. On the contrary. But we also recognize that Maroney isn't just average. Regardless of what a moron like yourself says.

 

[Grizzafted]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I simply cannot believe that you straight facedly claim him to be anything but an average back. The guy has cracked 100 yards rushing twice in his two year career. Jesus.

 

[PatsRI]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

In the middle of this historic offensive season all I can say is, is it worth all the anxiety to worry about Maroney? Besides, they could have spent the 2nd pick in the draft for a 3rd down back who's now out for the rest of the year like NO did.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Ok. So why do we still pass well when we face great passing defenses? I'll tell you why. Because Brady, Moss, and company are STUDS. They don't care who they play. They come to DOMINATE and they DO. So what you are telling me is Maroney can only run well against mediocre to poor run defenses? Wow, that's great. Guess what? TONS of running backs can look good against mediocre to poor run defenses. The true STUDS run well no matter who they go up against.

Which great passing defenses have we faced?

Indy - They've gotten better. They weren't 1st when we faced them.
Pittsburgh - Their run defense is better than their pass defense.
Jets - Haven't faced them since week 1.
Philly - was ranked 23rd when we faced them
Baltimore - Is 21st now.
Buffalo - Is 29th.. They were worse when we faced them last.
Dallas - ranked 20th.


Also, what is easier for a defense? To stop ONE RB or 4 WR running routes?

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I simply cannot believe that you straight facedly claim him to be anything but an average back. The guy has cracked 100 yards rushing twice in his two year career. Jesus.

I can't believe that you can't be bothered to do anything but look at the RAW numbers.. If you looked at things in CONTEXT, you'd actually see the bigger picture and you might actually learn something.

How many 100 yard games did Tiki Barber have in his 1st 6 years? How about Robert Smith in his 1st 3? Those are both guys who have been touted as being great backs.. Yet, when one actually looks at their history, one sees that they started off slowly also.

I am NOT worried about Maroney because I realize that he has a ROLE and that the Patriots have made the running game secondary to the passing game.

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I simply cannot believe that you straight facedly claim him to be anything but an average back. The guy has cracked 100 yards rushing twice in his two year career. Jesus.

Maroney has played in 24 career games, carrying the ball 301 times for a total of 1274 rushing yards with a long of 41 yards and 8 TDs. That's an average of 4.2 ypc. He has also caught 26 passes for 310 yards and 1 TD. He has lost 1 fumble. Now when you look at these numbers they certainly do not seem breathtaking, but they are not average either when you consider during his first year he split carries the whole year and during his second he split them until Morris was hurt. BTW, these numbers do not include the playoffs.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Ok. So why do we still pass well when we face great passing defenses? I'll tell you why. Because Brady, Moss, and company are STUDS. They don't care who they play. They come to DOMINATE and they DO. So what you are telling me is Maroney can only run well against mediocre to poor run defenses? Wow, that's great. Guess what? TONS of running backs can look good against mediocre to poor run defenses. The true STUDS run well no matter who they go up against.

Really? They do? That's funny because LT doesn't. And he's a sure fire HOFer. LT has had PLENTY of crappy games against both good and bad defenses.

It happens..

The problem here is that you attempt to compare an ELITE HOF RB to that of a young gun who is just starting his career and whom you have unrealistic expectations for given the current status of the Patriots.

 

[danny88]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I can't believe that you can't be bothered to do anything but look at the RAW numbers.. If you looked at things in CONTEXT, you'd actually see the bigger picture and you might actually learn something.

How many 100 yard games did Tiki Barber have in his 1st 6 years? How about Robert Smith in his 1st 3? Those are both guys who have been touted as being great backs.. Yet, when one actually looks at their history, one sees that they started off slowly also.

I am NOT worried about Maroney because I realize that he has a ROLE and that the Patriots have made the running game secondary to the passing game.

Hopefully Maroney can turn into a good runner after six years. Maybe even three :bricks:

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

And I expect 1st Rd picks to run the ball effectively, score TD's, break a long run every now and then, and be GOOD ENOUGH to warrant inclusion into the gameplan.

Liar. You expect him to be like LT. That's who you are regularly comparing him to..

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

All very good points. CHFF's analysis of the Patriots as a credible running threat included Sammy Morris' numbers. Take away Sammy Morris, and the Pats run game looks a whole lot less robust. In fact Maroney's numbers have declined rapidly without Morris in there to share the load. I'm pretty sure by now that you are aware that Maroney has had a 3.04 YPC over the last 5 games.

I find it amusing how the people who were devoutly defending Maroney with that YPC stat, suddenly find that YPC has become an irrelevant and worthless stat. So there you have it - in both overall production and YPC, Maroney has been going straight downhill over the last 5 games. Let's just hope he can "redeem" himself against the worst run defenses in the NFL coming up, the Jets #30 and the Dolphins #32.

I was also surprised that Pitt bit on the play action, but like BB said, "we've played against better safties all season long."

Again, just using the Ravens game that you were whining about, I've already shown why your argument is garbage. Your insistence on spouting it anyway just shows that you either don't know a damned thing about football or you have a negative agenda about a 13-0 team. Either way, you've been exposed as a clown.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I know because the great passing offenses of the past 10 years(98 Vikings, Rams, Colts) didn't lead the league in passing yards and also have 1200 plus yard runners.

They also didn't have near the differential in passes to runs that the Pats are going to have. But god forbid you take that into consideration.

Every time you mention that, you get shown how ignorant you are, yet you keep going back to it..

You also discount that all of those teams had Blocking schemes that were well entrenched and had experienced RBs. Those are factors you ignore as if they didn't matter. Yet, they DO matter and your ignoring them doesn't change that.