Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness(X3 Merged)

[A.C Vegas]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

So NSTroll i am still waitingfor you ta answer my challange. Yes i did call you a troublemaker cause for fun i looked at you last 100 posts and 92% of them were anti-Maroney and then another 2 were anti BB/SP so I would say that constatutes troublemaking. the challange is there waiting. and for everyone else i believe the challange is on page 3 if you have your posts per page at 40 like me Post Number 94 to be exact

 

[Grizzafted]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Neither of whom were a 1st round pick. Redmond was a 3rd rounder. Shaw was also a 3rd rounder. Neither of whom were scouted by the current administration. You seem to forget that Redmond was drafted based on the flawed Booby Grier draft information.



He's 22. Read that again. OK... Now AGAIN.

He had 2 years less experience coming out of college than Addai and I believe 1 year less than Marshawn Lynch.

Also, please let me know which of the 2 offenses of the Bills and Colts are still in the course of implementing a new blocking scheme?

Please if possible don't apply for a job with the Patriots. K thx.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I don't generally get into name calling but some of you are straight up idiots. If we had a back that could grind out the clock in the 4th quarter they wouldn't be risking Brady's body by putting him into three step drops. Period. This isn't algebra. McDaniels doesn't trust Maroney to do anything but create 3rd down passing situations, so they shelf him for the most part, figuring that if you're going to have 3rd and 5 anyway, why not just pass on 1st and 2nd?

I'm not arguing this anymore, I'm done. You're morons.

And of course they're not going to draft McFadden. But god it would be nice.

You calling other people idiots is like Tori Spelling calling other women ugly.

 

[Grizzafted]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

New England (3.8 ypc) ran the ball better against the Ravens than did:

Cincinnati (2.4)
Jets (2.6)
Browns (3.3)
49ers (2.6)
Rams (2.5)
Bills (3.1)
Steelers (2.3)
Bengals (2.1)
Browns (3.2)
Chargers (2.8)
Colts (2.2)

These teams ran it better than New England:
Cardinals (4.4) on 14 rushing plays

In other words, ONLY ONE TEAM HAS BEEN MORE SUCCESSFUL RUNNING THE BALL AGAINST THE RAVENS THAN THE PATRIOTS ALL SEASON LONG, AND THAT TEAM ONLY RAN THE BALL 14 TIMES IN THAT GAME!

Would it kill you anti-Maroney clowns to do some research before spouting your unfounded inanities?

Enough with the YPS bullsh!t. If your back runs 5 times in a game and shocks the opposing defense who's been playing the pass for 15 straight plays, HE'S SUPPOSED TO BREAK A BIG RUN. THE FACT THAT HIS YPC IS SO LOW IN THOSE SITUATIONS SAYS EVERYTHING, DUMBASS. Other backs have to carry the ball 25 times, so their average is affected by the fact that every other play they're throwing their body into seven 230 pound monsters.

 

[Grizzafted]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

You calling other people idiots is like Tori Spelling calling other women ugly.

So you have the same guy writing your jokes as your football commentary, huh? My first thought was that it was your wife, but who's stupid enough to marry you?

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Limited by injuries? The kid hasn't been on the injury report in almost 2 months. Puhleaze. The kid is healthy and still sucks.

Once again you are unable to look at the big picture. He was hurt and limited last year. He was hurt again this year and missed some time. My whole point is that he has not had close to two seasons worth of playing time. Not nearly enough time to judge or come to a conclusion on him. Combine that with an unreal passing game and you see the whole situation.

 

[danny88]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Based on WHAT? the fact that he got a whopping 11 carries a game behind Marony? Based on him getting 21 carries a game with Maroney out?





Only in the minds of those who don't understand the game.



No, Maroney got 8 carries because they were going up against a PREMIER run defense that was man-handling our O-line.



This is just absolute BS speculation on your part. They went to SCREENS because the Steelers are very vulnerable to the pass and the Pats are very adept at running them. You don't run the ball into a brick wall and hope to god that you gain a yard or two. That's just DUMB.



Or, maybe you can't put two and two together to get four. Clearly, their running game was effective enough to get the Steelers to fall for it and open up the play-action.



YOU think about it for a second. If the running wasn't effective, then the Steelers wouldn't have fallen for the play-action pass OR the gimick play. Yet they did every time they ran it.

Dabruinz , when will the excuses end?

 

[A.C Vegas]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

How about you Danny you have enough balls to take up the challange post 94 I am waiting.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

New England (3.8 ypc) ran the ball better against the Ravens than did:

Cincinnati (2.4)
Jets (2.6)
Browns (3.3)
49ers (2.6)
Rams (2.5)
Bills (3.1)
Steelers (2.3)
Bengals (2.1)
Browns (3.2)
Chargers (2.8)
Colts (2.2)

These teams ran it better than New England:
Cardinals (4.4) on 14 rushing plays

In other words, ONLY ONE TEAM HAS BEEN MORE SUCCESSFUL RUNNING THE BALL AGAINST THE RAVENS THAN THE PATRIOTS ALL SEASON LONG, AND THAT TEAM ONLY RAN THE BALL 14 TIMES IN THAT GAME!

Would it kill you anti-Maroney clowns to do some research before spouting your unfounded inanities?

Enough with the YPS bullsh!t. If your back runs 5 times in a game and shocks the opposing defense who's been playing the pass for 15 straight plays, HE'S SUPPOSED TO BREAK A BIG RUN. THE FACT THAT HIS YPC IS SO LOW IN THOSE SITUATIONS SAYS EVERYTHING, DUMBASS. Other backs have to carry the ball 25 times, so their average is affected by the fact that every other play they're throwing their body into seven 230 pound monsters.

Thank you for proving my points, both about you clowns not bothering to think and about you calling others idiots. You're actually bashing Maroney because I showed New England has had the second best day running against the Ravens of any team all season. Your post here may be the stupidest thing ever posted on this site.

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Enough with the YPS bullsh!t. If your back runs 5 times in a game and shocks the opposing defense who's been playing the pass for 15 straight plays, HE'S SUPPOSED TO BREAK A BIG RUN. THE FACT THAT HIS YPC IS SO LOW IN THOSE SITUATIONS SAYS EVERYTHING, DUMBASS. Other backs have to carry the ball 25 times, so their average is affected by the fact that every other play they're throwing their body into seven 230 pound monsters.

Do you hear yourself? How much does Pittsburgh give up on the ground? Philadelphia? Baltimore? You expect big plays on the ground against these teams? You expect these defenses who pride themselves on stopping the run to be fooled whether the past 15 plays have been passes or not. Did you not see how much play action worked for the Patriots last night? These teams bite on the run all the time. It's what happens when you don't have a very good pass defense, you commit to what you know. Your expectation is way off.

 

[ALP]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

dont lose faith yet

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Personally I think Maroney sucks and is the only real downside of the offensive gameplan - One hit by a defender and BOOM he usually goes down,How averages 4 yards a carry is a mystery to me,for everytime I see him run its usually 1 or 2 yards at best.

You guys with the 'hes young' excuses can have them,Either Maroney has IT or does NOT have IT,That my opinion anyway.

I don't care if he has been in the NFL for 20 years or 2 years,I do not see him suddenly becoming Barry Sanders in a few years,He will be a guy who needs to perform in a 2 back system probably all his career.

But you guys can keep your fantasies about Maroney being a future all-pro - After all dreaming is FREE as are opinions of granduer.

 

[Grizzafted]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Okay, here's my last Maroney related post for a while. I've had enough of this discussion, it seems that the only way to make up from down is to start flinging insults because of what a sh!tstorm the conversation turns into.

Here's some stats for you, Deus Irae, DaBruinz, and the rest:

1984 Dolphins
Marino throws for 5,000 yards and 48 TDs
Woody Bennett rushes 144 times for 606 yards and a 4.2 YPC
Joe Carter rushes 100 times for 495 yards and a 5.0 YPC

1989 49ers
Montana throws for 3,500 yards and 26 TDs
Roger Craig rushes 271 times for 1100 yards and a 4.0 YPC

1991 Buffalo Bills
Kelly throws for 4,000 yards and 33 TDs
Thurman Thomas rushes 288 times for 1400 yards and a 4.9 YPC

1998 Minnesota Vikings
Cunningham throws for 3,700 yards and 34 TDs
Robert Smith rushes 249 times for 1200 yards and a 4.8 YPC

1999 St. Louis Rams
Warner throws for 4,400 yards and 41 TDs
Marshall Faulk rushes 253 times for 1400 yards and a 5.5 YPC

2004 Indianapolis Colts
Manning throws for 4,600 yards and 49 TDs
Edgerrin James rushes 334 times for 1550 yards and a 4.6 YPC

Yes. You are all right. A prolific passing game precludes the ability of a primary back to put up numbers and make a significant contribution. :bricks: :bricks:

2007 New England Patriots (projected)
Brady throws for 5,000 yards and 54 TDs
Laurence Maroney rushes 156 times for 650 yards and a 4.2 YPC

 

[Grizzafted]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Do you hear yourself? How much does Pittsburgh give up on the ground? Philadelphia? Baltimore? You expect big plays on the ground against these teams? You expect these defenses who pride themselves on stopping the run to be fooled whether the past 15 plays have been passes or not. Did you not see how much play action worked for the Patriots last night? These teams bite on the run all the time. It's what happens when you don't have a very good pass defense, you commit to what you know. Your expectation is way off.

My point was that an inflated YPC when you got 7 changeup carries against a defense on its heels doubling your wide recievers is not terribly special. Or are you suggesting that if he had gotten 25 carries against Baltimore last weekend that he would have maintained that average? I'd like to know if that's the case, if you really believe that, actually.

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

My point was that an inflated YPC when you got 7 changeup carries against a defense on its heels doubling your wide recievers is not terribly special. Or are you suggesting that if he had gotten 25 carries against Baltimore last weekend that he would have maintained that average? I'd like to know if that's the case, if you really believe that, actually.

I guess I am missing the point. No sarcasm intended here but do you mean that his YPC was high or should have been higher? Just asking for clarification? To answer your question, I believe that if you extrapolate out to 25 carries, the average against that team would have been closer to his average over the last few games 3 - 3.5 yards. against a team with a weaker run defense I believe that could go up a yard or two. Obviously I am guessing, but that's my best guess.

 

[SpiderFox53]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Of course, no one will bring up that BB stated on WEEI that they went all pass because of what the Steelers were doing.

I really don't understand all the hate. We are watching the most prolific offense of all time and we're b*tching about it.

No, LM isn't having a great season, but he is having a decent season given the amount of carries he's getting and the number of games he missed due to injury.

 

[Grizzafted]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I guess I am missing the point. No sarcasm intended here but do you mean that his YPC was high or should have been higher? Just asking for clarification? To answer your question, I believe that if you extrapolate out to 25 carries, the average against that team would have been closer to his average over the last few games 3 - 3.5 yards. against a team with a weaker run defense I believe that could go up a yard or two. Obviously I am guessing, but that's my best guess.

I think if you're running draws out of the Shotgun and you've passed on nine consecutive plays, a guy like Maroney averaging 3.5 yards when he touches the ball is not terribly impressive, and certainly not comparable to a player who averages 3.3 yards throwing his body at the LOS for 60 minutes off 25 carries.

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Of course, no one will bring up that BB stated on WEEI that they went all pass because of what the Steelers were doing.

I really don't understand all the hate. We are watching the most prolific offense of all time and we're b*tching about it.

No, LM isn't having a great season, but he is having a decent season given the amount of carries he's getting and the number of games he missed due to injury.

That's been my point all along. I think the effectiveness of this passing game is so new that for some it is hard to appreciate that is ok for now not to have much of a running game. The real victory last night is that the Patriots have showed the rest of the league that your damned if you do and damned if you don't. Blitz and Brady will get rid of the ball. Don't blitz and give him time and he'll burn you there to. That has got to be scary to opposing defenses.

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I think if you're running draws out of the Shotgun and you've passed on nine consecutive plays, a guy like Maroney averaging 3.5 yards when he touches the ball is not terribly impressive, and certainly not comparable to a player who averages 3.3 yards throwing his body at the LOS for 60 minutes off 25 carries.

OK. I see that point, but I think it all depends on what defense you are playing against. I think against the Steelers your runs will limited on most plays.

 

[jman924]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

LOL!
It's S P R E A D I N G!:singing:
Ha ha ha.