Kraft regrets giving Belichick so much power without “checks and balances” in place.

[upstater1]

If you need checks and balances for your coach, you have a coach you don't trust.

If you find the right coach, you should trust him to work with the scouts to find the players that fit his system. That's how you win in the NFL. That plus consistency.

But hey, if you think you know more about football than a man who has obsessed over it for 60 years, then you might make the mistake of hiring coaches who are not cut out for it.

In such a situation, you need checks and balances. Unless, of course, your checks and balances are even worse than the coach.

In that case, just go with the coach until the day comes when you look in the mirror and realize the problem is you.

 

[signbabybrady]

Brady's one of two QB's to win titles on different teams. The other was basically carried by an all time great defense.

Also, let's be real, Brady had qualities himself that pushed him ahead of the guys you mentioned. Manning was always shell shocked in big moments and essentially only could go all the way when his defenses and special teams could take over in the playoffs. He wasn't ice cold like Brady. Marino had control issues and would check out of running plays constantly to play hero ball. Brady was very unselfish. Marino would never let Blount run all over the Colts in a playoff game like Brady did. Rodgers often would pass up the easy plays for bigger bombs down field and it hurt him a lot against better teams in the playoffs. Brees as a player probably had the least apparent flaws, but a big chunk of his career was derailed when bountygate happened and the Saints ended up fielding historically bad defenses for several years and by the time they rebuilt passed that, he was too old.

Brady had so many intangibles over those guys that were a big part of the results we got with him and he proved he could transfer that to another team outside the NE system. He's sort of a unicorn and only Montana came close in that regard.

Frankly, I'd argue almost all those other coaches would win more with Brady just because of that.

Give Belichick any of those other guys, I don't think he wins as much. Marino and Bill would have butted heads way too much. Manning basically ran his own offense and Bill was never going to allow that, which fundamentally changes Manning or creates a power struggle (which Manning would win). Likewise, Rodgers would have drove Bill crazy with going rogue on play calls and we saw what happened with him and McCarthy. Frankly I think in all 3 of those scenarios it would end badly and likely have the franchises all siding with the talented QB over Bill. Brady was basically the ideal player for Belichick. And Brees needed a Sean Payton offensive type to really maximize him.

Bill probably doesn't win 6 with Manning instead of Brady but he probably gets Manning more than 2.

Brady probably doesn't get 7 without Bill but probably still many.

 

[mrbean]

Thing with Brady is that you have to have a system for him. He’s the GOAT because of his ability to read the play before the snap. He’s not an improviser. You absolutely need to protect him. That’s just reality. We’re talking about an old school pocket QB here. He lasted as long as he did in this league because he was protected by great o-lines, not wild gooseberry potions Alex Guerrero mixed up for him. If you think any of these run and gun QB’s that are all over today’s league are gonna last 20+ years like Brady, you’ll be sorely disappointed. Look at all the weapons he had in Tampa Bay. What happened when his o-line broke down? One guy can only do so much, even the GOAT.

 

[Wozzy]

It's going to take a really long time for this current "rebuild." Why?

We'll need years for Mayo to learn how to be a head coach. years for Van Pelt to learn how to call offense, years for Covington to learn how to call defense...

Oh yeah and maybe most of all, multiple years of 1-3 win teams so the Pats can find enough great players since Elliot Wolf can only hit on a draft pick if it's a slam dunk at the top of the first round.

 

[upstater1]

So, down in Washington, Jayden Daniels got hurt, Marcus Mariota took over and had the best half of his entire career. They are up 27-0 in the first half.

Their OC is Kliff Kingsbury who the Patriots tried to hire.

Imagine how different things would be if we had the real Kingsbury instead of discount Kingsbury.

 

[XLIX]

Thanks for confirming you are stupid and simply not playing it.

Hey, you're the one who can't differentiate between "Schottenheimer did better in Cleveland" and "Schottenheimer is the better coach".

You're so ******ed that you see the above 2 statements as identical so maybe you should throttle back on calling others "stupid".

 

[XLIX]

The 1994 Browns were 11-5 and in late Sept of 95 were 3-1 when Modell started negotiations with Baltimore

And they won all of 1 Wild Card game in Belichick's 5 years there.

But congrats I guess to Belichick for winning the Lombardi Trophy they award at the end of September....

 

[mrbean]

You should take a picture and post all of your Lombardi’s seeing as how Bill was never up to your standards…

 

[RobertWeathers]

And they won all of 1 Wild Card game in Belichick's 5 years there.

But congrats I guess to Belichick for winning the Lombardi Trophy they award at the end of September....

Takes time to rebuild when you don't have free agency until 1993 and your owner doesn't have any money.

You clearly are ignoring history. I thought you were more thoughtful than that...Guess not.

 

[Wax Frog]

Bill Belichick, 72, spends time with girlfriend Jordon Hudson, 24, at corn maze created in his honor

The former New England Patriots coach and the cheerleader stepped out for a fall date in Massachusetts.

pagesix.com

 

[XLIX]

Takes time to rebuild when you don't have free agency until 1993 and your owner doesn't have any money.

Excuses excuses excuses.... all the Belichick krishnas use all the same tired old excuses for the man... every bad performance is always someone else's fault because reasons!

And all your excuses do absolutely nothing to change the fact that in 5 years they won all of 1 Wild Card game. I thought you were smart enough to realize that facts trump excuses....guess not.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Excuses excuses excuses.... all the Belichick krishnas use all the same tired old excuses for the man... every bad performance is always someone else's fault because reasons!

And all your excuses do absolutely nothing to change the fact that in 5 years they won all of 1 Wild Card game. I thought you were smart enough to realize that facts trump excuses....guess not.

Ignorant, ignorant, ignorant...Can't even admit it you were wrong.

There is such a thing a context. Causation is a real thing. Not everything is black and white.

 

[TommyD4207]

Anyone else love The Committee? I love The Committee.
All these checks and balances...thank goodness.

 

[sb1]

BB was as arrogant as ever in Cleveland but I don’t put much stock into his record there relative to his legacy… like I said he wasn’t ready. Whatever.

I do put a lot of stock into his post Brady years. .426 after Tom. His legacy took a major hit especially in the last 2 seasons. His coaching went from legendary to terrible over that timeframe. No reason at all to think this year would have been different. It’s over.

Team Bill loves to blame Mac Jones and try to exonerate Bill but in reality that scenario does no such thing. Bill drafted him after all.

 

[upstater1]

BB was as arrogant as ever in Cleveland but I don’t put much stock into his record there relative to his legacy… like I said he wasn’t ready. Whatever.

I do put a lot of stock into his post Brady years. .426 after Tom. His legacy took a major hit especially in the last 2 seasons. His coaching went from legendary to terrible over that timeframe. No reason at all to think this year would have been different. It’s over.

Team Bill loves to blame Mac Jones and try to exonerate Bill but in reality that scenario does no such thing. Bill drafted him after all.

BS.
20 years together and the team was rebuilt twice.
They lasted so long that they basically had to do a tear off on the roof. Which is normal.
The only thing his record shows is that he had horrendous QBs and the rebuild was not complete.

 

[sb1]

BS.
20 years together and the team was rebuilt twice.
They lasted so long that they basically had to do a tear off on the roof. Which is normal.
The only thing his record shows is that he had horrendous QBs and the rebuild was not complete.

Bill drafted Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe. He signed Cam Newton. Those QBs and his record post Brady are 100% on him. Maybe the MP/JJ stupidity shouldn’t have happened or he would still be here.

Also Bill was never rebuilding post Brady. He was a 70+ year old coach near the finish line trying to bandaid and duct tape a competitive team together to chase down Shula’s record. That’s not rebuilding.

 

[sb1]

During that period of time, if you look at the AFC it was wide open. BUF was in decline and Denver was rebuilding around Elway.

That has nothing to do with Bill "readiness"

As we discussed before Bill hadn’t figured out yet that having good relationships with his staff, his players, peers and the owner go a long way toward success and he can’t do it all on his own.

Going in guns blazing without any track record of success is not the way to do it. That’s no different than many coaching failures around the league like Gregg Williams in Buffalo and Fat Matt in Detroit.

Also talking trash about his coaching peers as I mentioned before

 

[upstater1]

Bill drafted Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe. He signed Cam Newton. Those QBs and his record post Brady are 100% on him. Maybe the MP/JJ stupidity shouldn’t have happened or he would still be here.

Also Bill was never rebuilding post Brady. He was a 70+ year old coach near the finish line trying to bandaid and duct tape a competitive team together to chase down Shula’s record. That’s not rebuilding.

This is all nonsense.
He signed Newton not to be a permanent QB, but because they were capped out and there was no one to give money to.
Callahan is right about Bill getting Mac's measure and wanting to move on immediately. He was also right about passing on him for a caretaker QB.

But none of this matters at all since they would've had Maye this year with a semblance and a chance of winning

 

[RobertWeathers]

As we discussed before Bill hadn’t figured out yet that having good relationships with his staff, his players, peers and the owner go a long way toward success and he can’t do it all on his own.

Yes we did and I don't agree it had anything to do with the on-the-field performance.

Going in guns blazing without any track record of success is not the way to do it. That’s no different than many coaching failures around the league like Gregg Williams in Buffalo and Fat Matt in Detroit.

Also talking trash about his coaching peers as I mentioned before

Whatever growing pains you think Bill had it had nothing to do with 1995.

 

[sb1]

Yes we did and I don't agree it had anything to do with the on-the-field performance.

Whatever growing pains you think Bill had it had nothing to do with 1995.

Ok but they were just 4-5 and just coming off a blowout loss to Houston when Modell made the announcement. Already gave up quite a few points. The trend was already down… implying that the announcement derailed the whole season feels like a reach...