Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[lancerman]

Kraft looks like a liar now. He’s lost all credibility.

No he looks like someone who was smart and listened to lawyers

 

[SHOWTIME15]

"Criminal acts" is a broad brush. We're not talking about conspiracy to commit murder here. We're talking about old dudes receiving handies for cash. They didn't need to put that on film to bust up a human trafficking ring. At some point violating privacy of ordinary citizens should have boundaries. That they filmed all this WHILE ALLOWING MORE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY to take place sort of defeats the purpose and prolonged the exploitation of these women. I don't see what is so hard to understand about this.

They absolutely needed to film the acts. Otherwise they have no case and the traffiking continues.

 

[farn]

Is this really necessary? Is there no right to privacy? Or denency? Play it for the jury if it goes that far. Public? What is wrong with us?

Don't watch. I’m not crying for Kraft here.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

No he looks like someone who was smart and listened to lawyers

Does he look smart now? Because if he does I must be blind.

 

[Bill Lee]

I have to agree that the stuff police do to catch prostitutes and Johns frankly seems more immoral than the crime of prostitution. It's bizarre AF. Recording sex acts and releasing video to the public? Seriously?! This seems to cross a line. If it were TMZ and not the DA/PD then ok. It's pretty much at the level of sleaze as what happened with Hulk Hogan, but institutionally sanctioned.

Yep, this is the government using public shaming to its own best effect.

Maybe they will put ol' Bob in a pillory down on the village square for a while?

It's also a conundrum for conservatives: the "family values" crowd wants the government to be policing our morality whereas the "capitalism is king" crowd says this is just the market sorting things out and we need to let it go.

 

[farn]

Kraft looks like a liar now. He’s lost all credibility.

Can’t lose something you never had.

 

[lancerman]

Does he look smart now? Because if he does I must be blind.

You always deny it. You make them prove or show they can prove the case. It’s a misdemeanor. Kraft has **** you money. You think any court wants to deal with an ace legal team over a misdemeanor?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Why do they have doors?

So people are spared from seeing people naked or taking a dump.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Bottom line is they did not have to record all these "acts" to bust up a human trafficking ring. They did it to embarrass johns, while using these women as pawns during the process. It's a horrific act, because you'll never embarrass enough johns to stop demand (hell most older men in WPB couldn't probably care less about this sort of thing) and all the while, you've allowed the exploitation of these women to be extended in duration and magnitude. As it's been said by myself and many others, regardless of what you feel about prostitution laws, the end here doesn't justify the means.

Not sure I agree. I would think if you need to prove sex acts are being committed and the performer was compensated, you would need video evidence.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You always deny it. You make them prove or show they can prove the case. It’s a misdemeanor. Kraft has **** you money. You think any court wants to deal with an ace legal team over a misdemeanor?

You always say that IF you know you did nothing. If you did something, and Kraft knows what he did, just say “no comment.”

 

[PatsFan2]

Kraft looks like a liar now. He’s lost all credibility.

He was caught with his **** in somebody's hands.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I do believe you can have a reasonable expectation to privacy in a public restroom and a changing room
CNN.com - A federal court puts the 'public' In 'public restrooms' - Feb 9, 2005

I think if the DA has belief a crime is being committed in a public restroom (see pediophiles) they have just cause.

 

[PatsFan2]

Stores already have cameras set up everywhere, even in dressing rooms.

They do crap??

 

[RobertWeathers]

They are in the yellow pages, because it's legal.

I aim to live a life of clean living and dont want to continually argue for the subversive, but escorts are legal.
You need to explicitly discuss sex acts for pay in or to be charged with solicitation. Law enforcement knows this, and they know they are side skirting the law in order to make a bigger point.

I didn't say escorts are illegal.

Escorts become prostitutes when in the timeframe of the contract he/she performs sex acts on the client.

 

[Nunchucks]

I think if the DA has belief a crime is being committed in a public restroom (see pediophiles) they have just cause.

Right, with a warrent

 

[Bill Lee]

They absolutely needed to film the acts. Otherwise they have no case and the traffiking continues.

Right, but what purpose does releasing the video serve after the accused admits they did the crime?

We're told that will be part of what happens next.

This is where the public shaming comes in to effect.

And that's where the local law enforcement community gets to show off the trophy they bagged.

In essence it's political theater, a display of realpolitik in action.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Right, but what purpose does releasing the video serve after the accused admits they did the crime?

We're told that will be part of what happens next.

This is where the public shaming comes in to effect.

And that's where the local law enforcement community gets to show off the trophy they bagged.

In essence it's political theater, a display of realpolitik in action.

I don’t think the video should be released. However, it’s the price Kraft has to pay for walking into that joint in the first place.

 

[Antdawg]

Not sure I agree. I would think if you need to prove sex acts are being committed and the performer was compensated, you would need video evidence.

False, brother. Dozens of johns and prosties arrested, charged and convicted daily in this country without any video of sexual acts being performed. It's blatantly obvious that the motive to film these sessions was done to embarrass the johns. Hence, the apparent forthcoming and totally unnecessary release of the Kraft video inside the massage room.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Right, with a warrent

The cops don’t need a warrant if a crime is about to go down and they believe the perpetrator is going to get away by the time they get the warrant.

 

[Nunchucks]

The cops don’t need a warrant if a crime is about to go down and they believe the perpetrator is going to get away by the time they get the warrant.

They'll need evidence of that to present to a court of law otherwise it will get thrown out of court.