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The police have made it very clear there is video of the act. Does Kraft really want them playing video in court of him being jerked off?

He will want this to go away as quietly and quickly as possible. Last thing he wants is to be in court.

DITTO that.
 
Yes, because fighting it is always tantamount to innocence.

Entirely beside the point. You said: "He will want this to go away as quietly and quickly as possible. Last thing he wants is to be in court." If that were true he wouldn't be maintaining his innocence and contesting the charges.
 
The police have made it very clear there is video of the act. Does Kraft really want them playing video in court of him being jerked off?

He will want this to go away as quietly and quickly as possible. Last thing he wants is to be in court.

Ideally he would like to have the tape squashed, but most likely it will come out regardless of how his team plays it. So his best course is to deny for now and wait and see how the drama unfolds.
 
The circumstances are a misdemeanor charge likely to be dropped.
I hope you are correct. But you don't put yourself in that situation if you're a man of Kraft's stature...or a decent human being, for that matter.
 
Entirely beside the point. You said: "He will want this to go away as quietly and quickly as possible. Last thing he wants is to be in court." If that were true he wouldn't be maintaining his innocence and contesting the charges.

Maintaining his innocence is for public consumption. His lawyers will get the arrest warrant and the video evidence, then they'll appear before a judge without Kraft and he'll be sentenced as a first time offender just like all the other first time perps. He'll try to avoid community service to keep the paparazzi at bay.

End of story...IMO. Except for Goodell.
 
I disagree that a reasonable person would not know there's an excellent chance the women that spa were being trafficked. Especially after already having gone there a previous time. Especially after such a spa in Newton -- next door to Brookline, where Kraft lives in MA -- was busted for trafficking in the past couple of years.

I will agree with you that he shouldn't have any legal liability re: trafficking. But he should have known that there was a really good chance the women in that joint were being trafficked, so IMHO he bears some moral/ethical responsibility to have done better and should be criticized heavily to that end.

I respect this take.

I just see this as a slippery slope. Do you buy Nikes? I’m sure you know they exploit child labor. Do you buy t-shirts? Electronics made overseas? I mean, as consumers, whether or not we are responsible for the wrongdoings that went into making the product - not so morally black and white.

Yes, I get that this isn’t a perfect analogy by any means. I just think we are all in pretty deep moral **** if we take this to it’s conclusions. We know we get better prices due to some shady third-world exploitation. Most of us watch porn knowing that many of these women are badly exploited, either by sexy traffickers, pimps, etc. We jerk off to this stuff because it gets us off. We are supporting prostitution and sex traffic in visiting websites whose ads lead to revenue, which lead to the evil but lucrative trade continuing. I don’t think it makes us bad people or morally compromised. Wanting to get a hand job isn’t exactly a highly rational decision. I’m sure we’ve all been in situations where we just want to rub one out. How often does sex traffic or the morals of these women being exploited enter your thought process?
 
Getting this * will knock you out of the H of F.

Teabagging a medical trainer and destroying her career? A first ballot certainty.

Being a clear accomplice to a murder in Atlanta, 1999? First ballot baby!

Sending **** pics to a reporter during the 2008 Jets season? Another first ballot no brainer!
 
which one?
 
I respect this take.

Most of us watch porn knowing that many of these women are badly exploited, either by sexy traffickers, pimps, etc. We jerk off to this stuff because it gets us off. We are supporting prostitution and sex traffic in visiting websites whose ads lead to revenue, which lead to the evil but lucrative trade continuing. I don’t think it makes us bad people or morally compromised. ?

His arrest drives home the facts of porn that you state but IMO, it does compromise morals and thus often leads to addiction with all the problems associated with any other addiction.
 
Getting this * will knock you out of the H of F.

Teabagging a medical trainer and destroying her career? A first ballot certainty.

Being a clear accomplice to a murder in Atlanta, 1999? First ballot baby!

Sending **** pics to a reporter during the 2008 Jets season? Another first ballot no brainer!
You're missing the multiple rape allegations for the first ballot HF'er in Pitt.
 
Get back to me in a year or two.

If nothing comes out of this other than he went and paid for a happy ending, then yes he will still get in.
 
I respect this take.

I just see this as a slippery slope. Do you buy Nikes? I’m sure you know they exploit child labor. Do you buy t-shirts? Electronics made overseas? I mean, as consumers, whether or not we are responsible for the wrongdoings that went into making the product - not so morally black and white.

Yes, I get that this isn’t a perfect analogy by any means. I just think we are all in pretty deep moral **** if we take this to it’s conclusions. We know we get better prices due to some shady third-world exploitation. Most of us watch porn knowing that many of these women are badly exploited, either by sexy traffickers, pimps, etc. We jerk off to this stuff because it gets us off. We are supporting prostitution and sex traffic in visiting websites whose ads lead to revenue, which lead to the evil but lucrative trade continuing. I don’t think it makes us bad people or morally compromised. Wanting to get a hand job isn’t exactly a highly rational decision. I’m sure we’ve all been in situations where we just want to rub one out. How often does sex traffic or the morals of these women being exploited enter your thought process?

Shouldn’t it be top of mind all the time?
 
Get back to me in a year or two.

If nothing comes out of this other than he went and paid for a happy ending, then yes he will still get in.


Yep
 
What kills me is that it looks like he paid $49-$79 for whatever went on in there. For a guy that is worth over 6 billion, this just seems down right silly.
 
Entirely beside the point. You said: "He will want this to go away as quietly and quickly as possible. Last thing he wants is to be in court." If that were true he wouldn't be maintaining his innocence and contesting the charges.

I didn't say such a thing. Maybe you are thinking of somebody else.
 
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