Kayshon Boutte: "How The Hell Did I Get Here???"

[PatsFan2]

And? You can't make a decision about the next 3-4 years off of one or two games. That's how you get the people who wanted to sign a long term deal with Cam Newton cuz he was good for the first couple games he played as a Patriot. Salary cap is 295 million divide by 53 guys....5.5 mil.... ok my math was a little behind the times and I thought that was closer to 2.5 mil per guy. I'm suddenly a little more ok with 15 mil if it means you have to give up 3 average guys to have Boutte. Still my point remains you can't pay guys what they are worth in a vacuum. Great teams get more production then they are paying.

The reason Drake Maye is easily the most valuable player in football without even a close second is we are getting 60 mil QB play for 10 mil salary. If you give 10 million dollar deals to Chaisson, Tonga, Landry, Milt, Barmore, Spillane, Davis, Marcus Jones, Owenu, Diggs, Henry, Rham, Boutte, at a certain point you run out of money and your depth is garbage. That's not even accounting for the mega deal Gonzo is going to get and Drake the year after. I don't just want to bring this team back next year I want to improve it and as much as I have enjoyed those 3 guys I think we can do better. That's why I say choose 2 out of 3 or get them to take less then they are worth. Which most NFL players, rightfully, don't.

Boutte was on pace for like 800yds before he got concussed. Also if he didn't come up Big like our Defense: we wouldn't be here. Speaking of better: Boutte is much better than regarded. I think you're sleeping on him: I see a Edelman type progression with Boutte; he's a Clutch Player.

 

[pazrul72]

Boutte was on pace for like 800yds before he got concussed. Also if he didn't come up Big like our Defense: we wouldn't be here. Speaking of better: Boutte is much better than regarded. I think you're sleeping on him: I see a Edelman type progression with Boutte; he's a Clutch Player.

On pace is great and all but at the end of the day you have to factor in he got hurt twice and only got 500 yards. I think he is capable of being a thousand yard 10 TD guy but we haven't seen that yet and can't pay for potential. Again I love the guy, want him back, just saying you can't be giving out huge contracts to every player.

 

[PatsFan2]

On pace is great and all but at the end of the day you have to factor in he got hurt twice and only got 500 yards. I think he is capable of being a thousand yard 10 TD guy but we haven't seen that yet and can't pay for potential. Again I love the guy, want him back, just saying you can't be giving out huge contracts to every player.

I totally agree: we have to pick and choose there: but knowing we've been @ss at Drafting that position. Boutte have to be a priority: he has a connection with your our Franchise QB.

 

[n1997y]

And? You can't make a decision about the next 3-4 years off of one or two games. the past two or three years.

FIFY.

Did you forget we’re talking about Boutte, or just not pay attention to how he’s been growing and improving since he got here? Consistent improvement year over year since we drafted him. And you still don’t want to give him credit for it? SMH.

 

[pazrul72]

FIFY.

Did you forget we’re talking about Boutte, or just not pay attention to how he’s been growing and improving since he got here? Consistent improvement year over year since we drafted him. And you still don’t want to give him credit for it? SMH.

PF2 was talking about paying him for his playoff performance thus the 1 or 2 game comment. I mentioned he is young and improving and that I think he can be a 1k 10 TD guy. Jesus you guys are acting like I said he sucks and we will be lucky to get rid of him. I want him back, but at a reasonable number in case the injuries weren't just a one off, and that we have money to improve the roster in our places. 33 receptions for 500 yards 6 TDs is NOT worth 15 million.

I want to see him hit the numbers I think he can before paying him big money. I think it would be a pretty easy sell to him, get 15 mil in your bank account now (6th round draft pick he has no where near FU money) play 3 more years with Drake so you get the kind of stats I'm talking about. Then at age 27 coming off back to back 1k seasons some team will offer him a 5 year 25 mil deal. It's less money now for a huge payout later while still acknowledging he has outperformed his contract and getting him set for life money.

 

[PatsFan2]

PF2 was talking about paying him for his playoff performance thus the 1 or 2 game comment. I mentioned he is young and improving and that I think he can be a 1k 10 TD guy. Jesus you guys are acting like I said he sucks and we will be lucky to get rid of him. I want him back, but at a reasonable number in case the injuries weren't just a one off, and that we have money to improve the roster in our places. 33 receptions for 500 yards 6 TDs is NOT worth 15 million.

I want to see him hit the numbers I think he can before paying him big money. I think it would be a pretty easy sell to him, get 15 mil in your bank account now (6th round draft pick he has no where near FU money) play 3 more years with Drake so you get the kind of stats I'm talking about. Then at age 27 coming off back to back 1k seasons some team will offer him a 5 year 25 mil deal. It's less money now for a huge payout later while still acknowledging he has outperformed his contract and getting him set for life money.

Still can't get over how young Boutte is.

 

[n1997y]

I want to see him hit the numbers I think he can before paying him big money. I think it would be a pretty easy sell to him, get 15 mil in your bank account now (6th round draft pick he has no where near FU money) play 3 more years with Drake so you get the kind of stats I'm talking about. Then at age 27 coming off back to back 1k seasons some team will offer him a 5 year 25 mil deal. It's less money now for a huge payout later while still acknowledging he has outperformed his contract and getting him set for life money.

I think that’s the biggest of several differences. I think he’s going to hit those numbers, and I have enough confidence in that assessment to be willing to pay a little more now, for a bit longer, to avoid paying a lot more later.

You seem to be lowballing him now out of fear he won’t continue to show the improvement he’s shown thus far. I think the contract can be drafted in a way that protects against injury and even loss of skill while still rewarding him now for what he has shown, with part of what he’s shown being additional future potential. I’m also saying that what he has shown on the field, with catches like his TD last Sunday, are about as good as it can be.

I think the biggest argument I’ve seen you make is his level of production, and I’m saying that’s not his shortcoming it’s the team spreading the ball around instead of targeting him more. He’s gotten 46 targets this season, for 33 catches and 551 yards. To compare, Diggs has gotten 102 targets for 85 receptions and 1013 yards. Boutte has less than half as many targets and more than half as many yards as Diggs. If he was targeted as often as Diggs he’d likely have more yards than Diggs has. So it doesn’t seem he’s not productive, or that there’s reason to doubt his ability to be more productive if called on more often.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Boutte through 16 games:

40 receptions
692 yards
7 TDs
139.2 passer rating when targeted (1st/96th)
1.61 yards per route run (39th/96th)

He's playing like a hyper efficient WR2. Even if 15-20 more targets lowered his efficiency slightly he'd be a 800-900 yard WR. Considering he's only 23 years old he probably has a higher ceiling. His playstyle is also suited for the playoffs. It'll be an easy decision to re-sign him.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Most importantly, he has chemistry with your young QB. Don't destroy that connection. I'd rather risk money on a guy that has shown professional and personal growth and improvement year over year than try to find that spark again.

 

[Huckleberry1]

And? You can't make a decision about the next 3-4 years off of one or two games. That's how you get the people who wanted to sign a long term deal with Cam Newton cuz he was good for the first couple games he played as a Patriot. Salary cap is 295 million divide by 53 guys....5.5 mil.... ok my math was a little behind the times and I thought that was closer to 2.5 mil per guy. I'm suddenly a little more ok with 15 mil if it means you have to give up 3 average guys to have Boutte. Still my point remains you can't pay guys what they are worth in a vacuum. Great teams get more production then they are paying.

The reason Drake Maye is easily the most valuable player in football without even a close second is we are getting 60 mil QB play for 10 mil salary. If you give 10 million dollar deals to Chaisson, Tonga, Landry, Milt, Barmore, Spillane, Davis, Marcus Jones, Owenu, Diggs, Henry, Rham, Boutte, at a certain point you run out of money and your depth is garbage. That's not even accounting for the mega deal Gonzo is going to get and Drake the year after. I don't just want to bring this team back next year I want to improve it and as much as I have enjoyed those 3 guys I think we can do better. That's why I say choose 2 out of 3 or get them to take less then they are worth. Which most NFL players, rightfully, don't.

Boutte has been making big plays for them all season, not just in the playoffs. He's a better receiver than guys who are making 20 per.

 

[TommyD4207]

I think 12 mil a year is as high as I would go and it would have to be easy to get out of year 3+ at that rate. I would even be ok with a 2 year extension for 30 mil with say a 15 mil SB. Technically he would still be playing next year on his rookie contract but paid at his new rate with 15 mil in his bank account now instead of a year from now. I think he would go for that as it gets him paid, gives him time to get stats, and lets him hit a third contract in his prime. There are only so many 10+ mil deals you can hand out and that player better be one of your 5-10 best. Boutte doesn't quite reach that criteria for me but he is borderline. I feel like we are going to have to choose 2 out of 3 of Chaisson, Tonga, and Boutte cuz with mega deals coming for Gonzo and next year Maye if they are smart with signing middle class deals the Patriots will have a 5 year window of top 10 team in the league.

1) We can easily sign all three. None of them are going to get mega deals - especially if the Patriots are smart. These are the people you re-sign at good rates in order to build a team long term.

2) Boutte's already worth more than 12 million/yr.

3) Even when they re-sign Maye, his real money isn't going to kick in until the 2028 season. Both he and Gonzalez' contract are extensions. They will look team-friendly by the time that money kicks in, in both cases.

 

[dliverey44]

Yes, but spirals don't make up for fumbles and interceptions.

Given that we are playing for the AFC ship, I would has up to this point it has.

 

[TommyD4207]

Boutte was on pace for like 800yds before he got concussed. Also if he didn't come up Big like our Defense: we wouldn't be here. Speaking of better: Boutte is much better than regarded. I think you're sleeping on him: I see a Edelman type progression with Boutte; he's a Clutch Player.

He's like a month older than Drake Maye, despite being in his third season.

 

[TommyD4207]

Boutte has been making big plays for them all season, not just in the playoffs. He's a better receiver than guys who are making 20 per.

Exactly. That's what Christian Kirk is making.

 

[dliverey44]

Still can't get over how young Boutte is.

Dare I say a young firm Booty

 

[mgteich]

I don't expect Boutte to be extended until at least mid-2026.

The next month is the time to start to consider extending those who will be free agents in a couple of months
Hooper
Lowe
Munford
Chaisson
Tonga
Hawkins
Gibbens (RFA)
Austin (RFA)

 

[Huckleberry1]

Exactly. That's what Christian Kirk is making.

Yep. He doesn't get the volume but when the ball comes his way he plays like Steve Smith Sr. He's getting the ball, not the guy trying to cover him.

 

[DC Patriots]

Boutte is one of my favorite players. He is more importantly my children’s favorite player.

That said 15 mil per, for Boutte is a significant overpay. He is more valuable than he numbers, he contributes in ways not seen on the stat sheet, he helps Drake develop and he’s a team guy. All these things are also true of Mack Hollins who went for one yard less and makes 4.2 M

 

[PatsFan2]

Boutte is one of my favorite players. He is more importantly my children’s favorite player.

That said 15 mil per, for Boutte is a significant overpay. He is more valuable than he numbers, he contributes in ways not seen on the stat sheet, he helps Drake develop and he’s a team guy. All these things are also true of Mack Hollins who went for one yard less and makes 4.2 M

No it's Not! NFL Owners are not losing $$$$$$: stop trying to save it for them. 15Mill is the going rate for a Guy with upside.

 

[DC Patriots]

No it's Not! NFL Owners are not losing $$$$$$: stop trying to save it for them. 15Mill is the going rate for a Guy with upside.

This has nothing to do with owners and how much money they make. This is about salary cap